Author Topic: Coronavirus and Audax  (Read 31414 times)

frankly frankie

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #825 on: May 01, 2020, 04:07:10 pm »
It probably didn't need thousands of members before the royal IT project, now it probably does to avoid bankruptcy? Doesn't the management of the site alone absorb 5 figures off the budget?

I agree that is a significant concern.
The hosting fees are neither here nor there but the choice of a relatively esoteric platform for the new project means that maintenance/dev will be a continuing outlay and could easily run to 5 figures.  Yes the expensive company that was contracted has gone and been replaced by an individual, but I'm guessing he will only stick around for as long as nothing better turns up for him.
I don't see any indication that the project is not still being pushed forward (and of course now, with the data essentially frozen, is a very good time for infrastructure changes).  As it happens, the next step is a bit of a tipping point, beyond which it will be much less easy to retract.  It certainly has me worried.
It's not dark yet but it's getting there.

guidon

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #826 on: May 01, 2020, 04:37:12 pm »
the clouds are still gathering over this IT thing, some very salient concerns placed by FF.....

frankly frankie

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #827 on: May 01, 2020, 04:52:23 pm »
And, I meant to add, whatever AUK's financial projections were, Covid-19 has surely blown them away.
It's not dark yet but it's getting there.

Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #828 on: May 02, 2020, 10:39:29 am »
Anecdata, but I doubt I’m alone. A lack of free weekends means I don’t ride that many events. A stock birthday present for me is a long weekend away to ride. Often a tour. I have some perm cards in a drawer, but a date to aim at is useful to me. If tours remain unavailable for then a perm might work instead, if I attach a date to it.

Assuming any easing still limits numbers, distance travelled to participate and sleep control arrangements what else could AUK do to attract entrants to events rather than the traditional highlights? Given that some members are more vulnerable, and so might want to limit contact even if small calendar events can be run, what could AUK do to enable them to participate? Some ideas:

Take the arrow / dart idea and modify it. Make it out and back or a triangle starting and finishing at home. Use cafes, or calendar controls or well known hills as the points that aren’t home to allow some low key meeting of others and a sense of common experience. Have a date to aim at, and add to the shared thing.

Make “photo of self, bike and signpost” a standard control type, for low contact rides.

Build a less gruelling alternative to RRTY. Shorter rides in winter maybe. They could average to 200 a month. Or fit into daylight at 15km/h. Though then the Scots get really short winter rides and really long summer rides :demon:

S2L

Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #829 on: May 02, 2020, 12:16:01 pm »
Anecdata, but I doubt I’m alone. A lack of free weekends means I don’t ride that many events. A stock birthday present for me is a long weekend away to ride. Often a tour. I have some perm cards in a drawer, but a date to aim at is useful to me. If tours remain unavailable for then a perm might work instead, if I attach a date to it.

Assuming any easing still limits numbers, distance travelled to participate and sleep control arrangements what else could AUK do to attract entrants to events rather than the traditional highlights? Given that some members are more vulnerable, and so might want to limit contact even if small calendar events can be run, what could AUK do to enable them to participate? Some ideas:

Take the arrow / dart idea and modify it. Make it out and back or a triangle starting and finishing at home. Use cafes, or calendar controls or well known hills as the points that aren’t home to allow some low key meeting of others and a sense of common experience. Have a date to aim at, and add to the shared thing.

Make “photo of self, bike and signpost” a standard control type, for low contact rides.

Build a less gruelling alternative to RRTY. Shorter rides in winter maybe. They could average to 200 a month. Or fit into daylight at 15km/h. Though then the Scots get really short winter rides and really long summer rides :demon:

Some interesting ideas...

For calendar events, I would add a "pick up and go" type start, where you pick up your card, sign what time you start on a sheet (or on the card itself) and set off without having to wait around for the official "depart". The window can be an hour or two wide, depending on how busy the event is.
Particularly suitable for BP and shorter BR, maybe less so for the longer events, but I don't expect the latter to resume any time soon

zigzag

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #830 on: May 02, 2020, 12:39:01 pm »
a question:

if i happen to ride an overseas audax (or the whole series), would it/they get validated by auk once it gets going again?

(not all countries suspended audax riding)

Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #831 on: May 02, 2020, 01:42:49 pm »

Some interesting ideas...

For calendar events, I would add a "pick up and go" type start, where you pick up your card, sign what time you start on a sheet (or on the card itself) and set off without having to wait around for the official "depart". The window can be an hour or two wide, depending on how busy the event is.
Particularly suitable for BP and shorter BR, maybe less so for the longer events, but I don't expect the latter to resume any time soon

Just before events had to be suspended Randonneurs NL took some decisions along these lines:
-Only online entry
-Only online payment
-Starting window of 2 hours, don't linger arount at the start but pick up your card and go
-Only free controls, so no designates café's were riders would amass.

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #832 on: May 02, 2020, 02:05:30 pm »
a question:

if i happen to ride an overseas audax (or the whole series), would it/they get validated by auk once it gets going again?

(not all countries suspended audax riding)

Yes. I can't see any reason why not.
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mattc

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #834 on: May 25, 2020, 06:17:25 am »
RTTY accounts for a reasonable churn in DIYs/Perms, especially in the winter months where many people don't have suitable local events (or the local event happens to fall on the wrong weekend, etc).

AUK started as hundreds, it can quite happily carry on as hundreds of people. It doesn't need thousands of active members (assuming calendar events can't be put back on, which is what we're talking about).

It probably didn't need thousands of members before the royal IT project, now it probably does to avoid bankruptcy? Doesn't the management of the site alone absorb 5 figures off the budget?

Anyway, the moral is that if 540 calendar events become zero for a sustained period of time, then it's game over, like it or not

Apologies if this is obvious but, while it might be game over for the current club, it would not be hard for a new club to be formed on a slimmed-down basis, minus the IT system or otherwise.  ACP could then decide who they wanted to recognise as the UK affiliate.  I have no knowledge of ACP but, in many sports, that decision is one which often takes place well away from public scrutiny!

It's tempting to believe that national sporting bodies have some special standing but, by and large, they are just private clubs or companies carrying out their sporting and commercial activities.  Generally, the main thing that they have got is an agreement from an international body giving them monopoly rights on international competition in their territory - and an installed base of users, commercial contracts, etc.  But someone willing to spend the money to create a parallel organisation can do so (eg Kerry Packer's cricket operation in the seventies)

There is nothing to stop anyone setting up a long distance cycling club tomorrow and organising virtual events, solo events and, in time, calendar events - and giving their validations to them.  What they couldn't do is provide a means of entry to PBP - without replacing AUK as ACP's UK partner.
 

mattc

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Re: Coronavirus and Audax
« Reply #835 on: May 25, 2020, 08:34:03 am »
Good post Frank.

I sincerely hope we are a long way from a serious UK breakaway, but you can see how it might gain traction. :-\
Has never ridden RAAM
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No.11  Because of the great host of those who dislike the least appearance of "swank " when they travel the roads and lanes. - From Kuklos' 39 Articles