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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2017, 01:00:05 pm »
I was a bit surprised to see this in the description:

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This event has a mandatory route - you should follow the route instructions as closely as possible.

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2017, 01:09:51 pm »
Nothing unusual about mandatory route, all organizers have this option.

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2017, 01:11:17 pm »
And here it is...

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/18-1000/

Looks superb  :thumbsup:

I was a bit surprised to see this in the description:

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This event has a mandatory route - you should follow the route instructions as closely as possible.

Unusual, but I expect it avoids a stack of info controls. I tend to follow the organiser's route on rides in any case.

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2017, 08:42:47 pm »
Unusual, but I expect it avoids a stack of info controls.

Sounds good to me.


I tend to follow the organiser's route on rides in any case.

Me too - it seems rude not to.

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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2017, 09:18:01 pm »
er, a mandatory route on the Mille Cymru?  I can remember last time not exactly sticking to the route sheet exactly in a few places because I prefered the main road and needed a snack.  But minor deviations are always a risk worth taking.  The route was great anyway
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2017, 11:42:47 am »
I deviated into the sea front car park for an ice cream on the last one, and bewildered tourists with the tale of our journey. IF I do it again, I'm happy with a mandatory route (mainly because I don't research the route and flatter/faster alternatives).
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2017, 12:07:50 pm »
Likewise, I rarely have the time or inclination to study long routes in advance, so stick to the organiser's route wherever possible, unless alternatives are clearly spelled out. Of course, this doesn't prevent unplanned errors of deviation - but in those cases I just re-trace the same way back to the route using the Garmin, usually!
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2017, 01:28:11 pm »
Likewise, I rarely have the time or inclination to study long routes in advance, so stick to the organiser's route wherever possible, unless alternatives are clearly spelled out. Of course, this doesn't prevent unplanned errors of deviation - but in those cases I just re-trace the same way back to the route using the Garmin, usually!

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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2017, 02:36:17 pm »
Likewise, I rarely have the time or inclination to study long routes in advance, so stick to the organiser's route wherever possible, unless alternatives are clearly spelled out. Of course, this doesn't prevent unplanned errors of deviation - but in those cases I just re-trace the same way back to the route using the Garmin, usually!

... a follower, more than a leader...  :P

Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2017, 03:10:17 pm »

Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.

Likewise, I've only made changes if I knew of a better route

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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2017, 03:46:49 pm »

Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.

Likewise, I've only made changes if I knew of a better route

Sure, if the ride is local to me and I know all the roads, I certainly won't avoid the temptation to take all my favourite shortcuts if they're suitable. ;)
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2017, 05:54:50 pm »

Yep, normally happy just to ride a nice route that the organiser has thought of, which shows off the best of their region.

Likewise, I've only made changes if I knew of a better route
I frequently choose to take worse routes.
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2017, 08:50:26 pm »
'Info Controls' are a weak excuse for what was one time 'Secret controls'...

Which kept most everyone en route back in the day (pre-GPS).

I much prefer following the organiser's 'Route' (generally by GPS these days).

And I would be much happier to submit that for validation rather than faff about with yet another collage of 'Info controls'.

Just my biased opinion BTW.

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2017, 11:02:22 pm »
'Info Controls' are a weak excuse for what was one time 'Secret controls'...

Which kept most everyone en route back in the day (pre-GPS).

I much prefer following the organiser's 'Route' (generally by GPS these days).

And I would be much happier to submit that for validation rather than faff about with yet another collage of 'Info controls'.

Just my biased opinion BTW.
Agree with this, a couple of infos is manageable but if you start getting multiples between adjacent proper controls it's more of a hassle.
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2017, 03:21:38 pm »
For John's route, stretches can be shortened by bashing down A roads (some trunk), so unless made mandatory, the route would need a number of info controls.
To get down from Upton Magna down to Hay away from the A49 we'll be able to enjoy the 'undulating' road via Bishop's Castle, Knighton and Clun, and then go over Gospel Pass/Llanthony (rather than Golden Valley) towards Monmouth/A466/Tintern. We can stay off the A40 too (at that time of day) from Abergavenny to Brecon, by taking the Govillon, Llangynidr/Tal-y-bont road on the south side. The Pembrokeshire coast road south of Newgale is not to be missed - but it'd be faster, easier and more boring through Haverfordwest to the bridge over the Cleddau. Carmarthen to Llandovery will be much nicer on the A4069/Bethlehem Road south of and parallel to the less attractive A40. And we can enjoy the Elan reservoirs and excursions into the Hafren forest (to Staylittle).

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2017, 08:22:33 pm »
How is the route made mandatory? Does this mean riders have to have a gps device for proof of passage?

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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2017, 08:36:00 pm »
How is the route made mandatory? Does this mean riders have to have a gps device for proof of passage?
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2017, 08:41:01 pm »
Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)

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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2017, 08:42:21 pm »
Eh, you follow the route sheet.
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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2017, 08:45:23 pm »
How do you provide proof of passage then if there are no infos?

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2017, 08:47:14 pm »
Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)

Expect a secret control or two. They may not exist, of course, and that's the best kind...

Dale's got me thinking about this ride. It's a while since I went to Wales.

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2017, 09:00:29 pm »
Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)

Expect a secret control or two. They may not exist, of course, and that's the best kind...

Dale's got me thinking about this ride. It's a while since I went to Wales.
AND! we can ride to the start! It's just a bit further than the Peak District iirc.

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2017, 09:02:52 pm »
Upton Magna is 300 km from Darlo....

Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2017, 11:57:13 pm »
Yes, I am honest. Genuinely asking a question - wondering how mandatory routes work if you are a route sheet user (there are still a few of us!)

Honest riders will follow the route because it's the route and they're honest.

Dishonest riders will follow the route because there might be a secret control just around the next corner.

(And if you take a shortcut, or a different route, and there wasn't a secret control, who are you going to tell about your cleverness?)

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Re: Mille Cymru 2018
« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2017, 10:28:47 am »
How is the route made mandatory? Does this mean riders have to have a gps device for proof of passage?

Nope, no extra proof of passage is required - it's all on trust (with a sprinkling of secret controls).

PBP has always worked this way. No GPS required, and even the Brits (almost) always stick to the official route :)
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