Author Topic: Dutch brevets in 2018  (Read 11503 times)

quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #100 on: July 06, 2018, 10:59:26 pm »
In many respects Dutch laws only stipulates that it has to work and at the maximum a certain output (a bell must be audible at a certain distance). How you achieve this is up to you.

And the police tend to be pretty pragmatic about such things. If you crash into someone and it turns out you don't have a bell, you may have issues. But the chances of you being stopped to check if you are just cycling along are very slim. Especially outside of the return to school/uni season in the autumn. Then they start doing spot checks for everyone to make sure you have lights, reflectors, etc...

If you do get stopped tho, don't what ever you do try to claim you're in the right, take your fine and get on the road. I can guarantee your bike won't comply with the full letter of the Dutch law (I read the bits about bikes recently, in full (don't ask), and there is barely a complaint bike in the country). But unless they are actively looking to pin you for something (say you pissed them off), as long as you have something that gives off a white light at the front, and a red light at the rear, noone will care.

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quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #101 on: July 11, 2018, 08:17:48 pm »
It's the Mcdonald's control at 180km that I'm looking forward to most! ;D

One more question - I know you have to have a bell in Holland. Is it acceptable to have one on your saddle rails? My handlebars are very busy with computers, lights, tri bars and bags so thought this might be a good way of obeying the law without cluttering my cockpit with even more junk.

You'll be pleased to know CP4 in the McDonald's has been replaced with a ferry instead, as there is construction work in Alkmaar. Check the latest version of the route.

J
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #102 on: July 11, 2018, 10:08:47 pm »

You'll be pleased to know CP4 in the McDonald's has been replaced with a ferry instead, as there is construction work in Alkmaar. Check the latest version of the route.

Oh, be aware the new ferry they've added costs €1.20 for cyclists. Don't forget to bring some coins!

J

Edit: Just noticed that info is on the web page for the ride, but was not included in the email we got (Hence me posting).
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bludger

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2018, 12:20:58 am »
Ah yes I got the email too.

Bit of a faff as will need to re-edit my GPX to include the new route and the info controls (I always mark them on the GPX using Garmin Connect, so the device will show how many km remaining until the next point), but that's what work lunchtimes are for!

I'll be easily spotted, I wear a hat with ice creams on it.

A little disappointed that I'll miss out on 2x chicken mayo burgers and 20 nuggets though!
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2018, 09:46:22 am »
Ah yes I got the email too.

Bit of a faff as will need to re-edit my GPX to include the new route and the info controls (I always mark them on the GPX using Garmin Connect, so the device will show how many km remaining until the next point), but that's what work lunchtimes are for!

I'll be easily spotted, I wear a hat with ice creams on it.

A little disappointed that I'll miss out on 2x chicken mayo burgers and 20 nuggets though!

The gpx i got has poi's for the controls already in there. My Wahoo seems to cope with them ok.

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bludger

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2018, 12:41:37 pm »
How annoying, I'm using a Garmin 810 and the POIs don't seem to be showing up when the GPX is imported to Garmin connect. I'll have to manually re enter them.

Only reason I've got a Garmin is I found one going cheap on facebook, a Wahoo would be preferable from what I can gather.
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bludger

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #106 on: July 12, 2018, 01:22:35 pm »
Also am I right in thinking a "Foto Controle" means you take a photo of a landmark/monument on your phone? Can't imagine this catching on in AUK any time soon!
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #107 on: July 12, 2018, 03:19:35 pm »
Also am I right in thinking a "Foto Controle" means you take a photo of a landmark/monument on your phone? Can't imagine this catching on in AUK any time soon!

Believe so. It's new to me too.

J
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #108 on: July 12, 2018, 03:36:52 pm »
Israel Randonneurs have used photos from their first brevets.
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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #109 on: July 12, 2018, 10:58:13 pm »
Also am I right in thinking a "Foto Controle" means you take a photo of a landmark/monument on your phone? Can't imagine this catching on in AUK any time soon!

That's it indeed. It's quite popular for French events too. A photo can also be on a camera. Preferably something wich you can show the organiser at the finish.

Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #110 on: July 13, 2018, 10:17:29 am »
There's another interesting Dutch brevet this summer, a 1000km starting on the 2nd of august. The route has some lumpy sections but also long sections along river valleys so you can catch up time. It's an x rated 1000 but there are enough hotels of various pricelevels along the route.

The track is already available: https://randonneurs.nl/event/brm-1000-maastricht-nl-rondom-luxemburg/

quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2018, 01:51:08 pm »

Looks like the weather forecast for this weekend is a headwind for the first 120km, then a bit of cross wind to cp 4, then tail wind all the way home. Fortunately the headwind looks like a force 2, which should be bearable. Tailwind down the coast is showing as probably a force 3.

J
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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #112 on: July 19, 2018, 10:03:36 pm »
35 entries up till now, quite a few newbies.

quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #113 on: July 19, 2018, 10:17:40 pm »
35 entries up till now, quite a few newbies.

For the 1000 or the 300?

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #114 on: July 20, 2018, 07:13:36 am »
35 entries up till now, quite a few newbies.

For the 1000 or the 300?

J

300

quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #115 on: July 22, 2018, 03:46:38 am »

Made it round the 300 in 17:15 total time. Once again being the Lantern Rouge. A position I seem to have had for every BRM I've done. Was a beautiful ride, the the headwind for the first 176km sucked.

Now on a train home and trying to rehydrate.

J
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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #116 on: July 22, 2018, 08:53:35 am »

Made it round the 300 in 17:15 total time. Once again being the Lantern Rouge. A position I seem to have had for every BRM I've done. Was a beautiful ride, the the headwind for the first 176km sucked.

Now on a train home and trying to rehydrate.

J
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Well done.  I'm no stranger to being Lantern Rouge, increasingly so as other riders seem to be getting faster.   2:45 is still a comfortable margin, I'd usually be happy with that.

bludger

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #117 on: July 22, 2018, 07:25:54 pm »
I didn't make it to the start line for the 300. Doing a 150 km trip the day before, I caight a nasty splinter in a tyre that wrote it off. I limped to my overnight stay at 0030 and just wasn't in the mood for a 300 the next day. Hope it was a great ride for those who made it.
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #118 on: July 23, 2018, 12:42:38 am »

Now I've had a chance to sleep, eat, and rehydrate. It was a lovely ride, Being so slow I got to ride back through the dunes in the dark, which was amazing. Going through Scheveningen was a weird experience. They seem to plough the beach (for want of a better term), I assume to pick up all the litter, and flaten the sand castles, and with the onshore wind, a cloud of very very fine dust filled the air. I rode through it trying not to breathe in too much. Back in the dunes the near cloudless night, the beautiful moon, and a number of visible planets was stunning. Tho I kept riding through small pockets of very cold air that lasted about 100m or so. Despite drinking >6l over the course of the ride, I was very dehydrated at the end, and it's taken me most of the day of pouring water in to get back up to sensible hydration levels. At least 1 rider that I know of scratched due to the heat. Despite my factor 50, and regular reapplications, I'm

For anyone looking for a Dutch Audax, I can recommend this as a ride. Tho pray for better wind. 176km of headwinds is not ideal.

J

PS This ride had two photo controls. Wasn't entirely sure the rules on what was supposed to be in the photo, but the two shots below seemed to work:

CP2:


CP6:


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quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #119 on: August 09, 2018, 10:11:48 pm »

Anyone doing the Overveen 200 on Saturday? Looks like a damp start, and a headwind from Lelystad all the way to the Arrivé.

Am looking forward to it.

J
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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #120 on: August 09, 2018, 10:23:45 pm »

Anyone doing the Overveen 200 on Saturday? Looks like a damp start, and a headwind from Lelystad all the way to the Arrivé.

Am looking forward to it.

J

I'm riding.

quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #121 on: August 09, 2018, 10:26:03 pm »

Anyone doing the Overveen 200 on Saturday? Looks like a damp start, and a headwind from Lelystad all the way to the Arrivé.

Am looking forward to it.

J

I'm riding.

Excellent. See you at the start, and maybe for the first 500m before I'm dropped out the back of the pack as I do on every ride?

J
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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #122 on: August 10, 2018, 07:18:53 am »

Anyone doing the Overveen 200 on Saturday? Looks like a damp start, and a headwind from Lelystad all the way to the Arrivé.

Am looking forward to it.

J

You'll probably regain contact when a large group waits for the ferry.

I'm riding.

Excellent. See you at the start, and maybe for the first 500m before I'm dropped out the back of the pack as I do on every ride?

J

quixoticgeek

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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #123 on: August 11, 2018, 09:51:05 pm »

That was the hardest 200 I've done. Even harder than the Ardennes crazies. The 35+km into the headwind on Flevopolder was just utterly Brutal. In the first 96km I was often riding along at 30+kph. I spent some time leading on the front of a gaggle of riders, which was most confusing. My average speed up to this point was 26kph. By the time I hit the 1st control at 105km, it was down to 25.2kph. By the end of Flevopolder it was about 20kph. Eventually I finished in 12:02, with 9:31 moving time, with an average of 21.9kph. Even more curiously, I've got used to being the last rider to finish every Audax I've done (even being over time on a 300). So to get to Arrivé and find not only was I not last, but there were 15/52 riders still out there. Something I'm doing, I must be doing right, as I appear to be getting fitter...

Who said it was easy riding in the flatlands of the Netherlands? The Dutch mountains take no prisoners...

J
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Re: Dutch brevets in 2018
« Reply #124 on: August 12, 2018, 08:49:12 pm »
You were a lot more efficient as I was in control management, my average speed at the end was around 23kph, a lot faster as usual.
We missed you at a certain moment on the Oostvaardersdijk. After that Jana rode away effortlessly.