Poll

Winter 200km with 3 commercial controls + ? 3 Infos ?

Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole if it has Info Controls
1 (0.6%)
Would rather route was an extra 10km to avoid having any infos
26 (16.8%)
Wouldn't want to add more than 5km to be able to avoid infos
22 (14.2%)
Keep route as short as possible, I don't mind Infos
89 (57.4%)
Would rather mandatory route enforced by Secret Controls
17 (11%)

Total Members Voted: 154

Author Topic: How much do people dislike Info controls ?  (Read 10988 times)

ElyDave

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Re: How much do people dislike Info controls ?
« Reply #175 on: March 13, 2019, 02:39:36 pm »
Frustratingly I find that they don't seem to appear on my Garmin when I transfer them across, so I have to manually use Garmin Connect and label their locations on my laptop which takes about 10 mins 💁‍♂️

Otherwise I refer to the Brevet and try not to forget that e.g. the next control is at 87 km.

I take the same approach, at the previous control, snack stop etc - quick check of the card, what's next? Only problem I've had with that was control at XXkm, when in fact it was XX-2km on my Garmin and XX was halfway up a hill in Essex with no pub anywhere near, and I'd not been watching though the previous village.

Organiser said it was down to Google routing vs real routing?
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: How much do people dislike Info controls ?
« Reply #176 on: March 13, 2019, 03:16:46 pm »
There is something ironic that the most popular response in a long-distance club is to have the route as short as possible.
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Re: How much do people dislike Info controls ?
« Reply #177 on: March 13, 2019, 03:22:42 pm »
Fairly new to this so still find a lot of it mystifying.

Did a 200 last summer which had an info control on the brevet along the lines of, 'colour of pub door in village'. At the briefing I was surprised to hear the organiser say, 'Can we all agree here and now that the pub door in the village is red?'

Why would the org put in an info control and then give it away?
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quixoticgeek

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Re: How much do people dislike Info controls ?
« Reply #178 on: March 13, 2019, 04:21:03 pm »
Fairly new to this so still find a lot of it mystifying.

Did a 200 last summer which had an info control on the brevet along the lines of, 'colour of pub door in village'. At the briefing I was surprised to hear the organiser say, 'Can we all agree here and now that the pub door in the village is red?'

Why would the org put in an info control and then give it away?

To get it past AUK approval, for shortest distance between controls using google walking directions.

Given the incidence rate of colour blindness, I'd say having to identify something as red is a bit of a pain... By giving the info on the start line, you're preventing people from planning a route that avoids the info in advance.

I'm not sure why more events aren't just mandatory route, solves a lot of these issues. I agree wholeheartedly with the statement above: It's proof of passage, not a treasure hunt.

I've had a look through my Brevet card pile, in all the BRM events I've done, I've had 2 info controls, 3 photo controls, and the rest have been commercial controls.

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FifeingEejit

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Re: How much do people dislike Info controls ?
« Reply #179 on: March 13, 2019, 07:56:46 pm »
For long running routes it seems that the set of questions don't get renewed.
On one ride I did we were advised that the landmark in the question had been removed roughly 10 years previously.

The distances given only apply to the "shortest route" from the previous control and can vary wildly from what your GPS says, but then so can the route sheet...
As the purpose is proof of passage provided the question is sensible and written to be unambiguous and not mistakable for another possibility in a range of distance error I see no problem.

Questions like, In Village X how far is it as signed to the village Y at the junction.
Should work quite well as it should be fairly difficult to misidentify the signpost (unless it's been removed)

But not all route are going to give you such obvious points for routing.

Codes boards are another option, though they need some financial outlay and a need to have setup and cleaning run of the route.
Fine for Motorsports where the Set up, opening and closing cars are requirements for running the event, not so when organizers may need to ride the route the day before and after and hope no one's nicked them and have to carry the weight of them both times.


From playing with DIY routes round here, getting a decent route thanks to the valley roads being pretty busy and direct and the interesting roads being twisty, up out the way and with plenty of links down to the lower roads can be tricky without having to land a virtual control in the middle of nowhere, where the only option even for an info control would be "judging by the size of the discolouration of the car, what did the Kennoway gadgies burn out here"