Author Topic: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.  (Read 13912 times)

Zed43

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #150 on: October 05, 2018, 02:36:23 pm »
Speaking of which, when does the Dutch Calendar come out?
Mid-October is what I heard. Not sure why it hasn't been published yet as I believe the calendar 2019 was set during a meeting mid-September.

Is there any official word on whether or not the 200/300/400/600 must be ridden in order  (substituting a shorter ride with a longer ride allowed, but no switching)? On the AUK forum I read "No particular order is required, just do the four distances within the calendar period allowed." whereas the PBP page on randonneurs.nl is adamant that riding (say) the 600km brevet before riding the 400km will not get you qualified.

I didn't find the regulations for PBP 2019, but the 2015 regulations (article 2) are rather implicit about order.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #151 on: October 05, 2018, 03:16:05 pm »
That's the first time I've ever heard about needing to ride qualifiers in distance-order.

I've qualified with over-distance rides in the past, however last PBP (2015) I submitted 2 x 300s and 2 x 600 rides as my qualifiers which the on-line system let me register to take part in PBP but rather disappointingly did not earn me the converted cast-iron/depleted-unranium SR medal.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #152 on: October 05, 2018, 09:07:47 pm »
Is there any official word on whether or not the 200/300/400/600 must be ridden in order  (substituting a shorter ride with a longer ride allowed, but no switching)? On the AUK forum I read "No particular order is required, just do the four distances within the calendar period allowed." whereas the PBP page on randonneurs.nl is adamant that riding (say) the 600km brevet before riding the 400km will not get you qualified.
I didn't find the regulations for PBP 2019, but the 2015 regulations (article 2) are rather implicit about order.
Translation from the dutch https://www.randonneurs.nl/paris-brest-paris/ :
"Qualification - Certificate[d rides] must be completed in sequential order. A short distance may be replaced by a longer distance. This means that the first [BRM] must be at least 200 km, the second at least 300, the third at least 400 and the fourth at least 600. If you ride more [BRMs], you can choose four in the (time) order. The PBP qualification must take place between 1 November and 30 June."
I think Article 2 of the 2015 regulations imply nothing (regarding sequence):
"Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur® est ouvert . . . ayant accompli en 2015 les brevets de qualification homologués [BRM] de 200, 300, 400 et 600 km, . . . Il est toléré qu’un brevet puisse être remplacé par un brevet d’une distance supérieure."

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #153 on: October 05, 2018, 09:41:25 pm »
Speaking of which, when does the Dutch Calendar come out?
Mid-October is what I heard. Not sure why it hasn't been published yet as I believe the calendar 2019 was set during a meeting mid-September.

The organisers still had to discuss the dates with the start locations after the mid september meeting.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #154 on: October 28, 2018, 09:14:04 pm »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

Does anybody know if the dates are different for Spain? Also can I ride my qualifiers in the UK and Spain?

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #155 on: October 28, 2018, 10:41:12 pm »
The dates are different in every country. A quick look here suggests they're more a bit more varied in Spain:
http://www.randonneurs.es/randonneursbrevets.php

(Looks like if you're super keen you can do a 300 in February and a 400 in March)

You can do your rides in any country or mix of countries, as long as they're BRM recognised.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #156 on: October 29, 2018, 07:22:22 am »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

Does anybody know if the dates are different for Spain? Also can I ride my qualifiers in the UK and Spain?

The formal dates are only for French organisers, not for non-French organisers. You can indeed ride your BRM's everywhere. I've quite often qualified in multiple countries.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #157 on: October 29, 2018, 12:42:15 pm »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

Does anybody know if the dates are different for Spain? Also can I ride my qualifiers in the UK and Spain?

The formal dates are only for French organisers, not for non-French organisers. You can indeed ride your BRM's everywhere. I've quite often qualified in multiple countries.
These dates apply to UK BRM events as well. Other countries may have longer windows, but it is not correct to say those dates only apply in France.
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #158 on: October 29, 2018, 05:49:03 pm »

In order to complete your registration, you must ride BRM events making up an SR series between 01/11/18 and June 2019.

This is incorrect... these are the dates

200km: Saturday 12th January - Sunday 28th April
300km: Saturday 16th March - Sunday 26th May
400km: Saturday 13th April - Sunday 2nd June
600km: Saturday 4th May - Sunday 23rd June

Does anybody know if the dates are different for Spain? Also can I ride my qualifiers in the UK and Spain?

The formal dates are only for French organisers, not for non-French organisers. You can indeed ride your BRM's everywhere. I've quite often qualified in multiple countries.
These dates apply to UK BRM events as well. Other countries may have longer windows, but it is not correct to say those dates only apply in France.

The official information in the ACP documents is that according to the ACP they only apply for France. If other regional bodies choose to follow them, that's possible. But not every regional body does this.

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #159 on: October 29, 2018, 06:00:14 pm »
It's worth reiterating that the section in bold is the only bit that applies to *riders*. If you find yourself riding a BRM any time between this Thursday and whatever the final closing date in June is, it's a qualifier.

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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #160 on: October 29, 2018, 07:52:03 pm »
It's worth reiterating that the section in bold is the only bit that applies to *riders*. If you find yourself riding a BRM any time between this Thursday and whatever the final closing date in June is, it's a qualifier.
Assuming that is the case (no offence meant grams! :) ), that is a *very* useful clarification  :thumbsup:


Seems a bit of a shame that the traditional new year kicker offer The Poor Student (Jan 5th) isn't a qualifier this year (I'm probably being pathetically nostalgic about the miserable cold/wet 2007 edition - but I doubt I'm the only one :P )
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #161 on: October 30, 2018, 10:20:46 am »
It's worth reiterating that the section in bold is the only bit that applies to *riders*. If you find yourself riding a BRM any time between this Thursday and whatever the final closing date in June is, it's a qualifier.
So the statement on the audax UK website is not correct? And the Chevy Chase 200km on 5th may and the 3d300 on the 8th of June could both be used as qualifiers despite not being listed as such? (Both listed as BRM but not identified as qualifiers)
Or are we discussing events elsewhere?
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Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #162 on: October 30, 2018, 12:03:22 pm »
It's worth reiterating that the section in bold is the only bit that applies to *riders*. If you find yourself riding a BRM any time between this Thursday and whatever the final closing date in June is, it's a qualifier.
So the statement on the audax UK website is not correct? And the Chevy Chase 200km on 5th may and the 3d300 on the 8th of June could both be used as qualifiers despite not being listed as such? (Both listed as BRM but not identified as qualifiers)
Or are we discussing events elsewhere?
Chevy Chase is on 4 May (according to the calendar) btw.
Perhaps these two BRM events did not meet the AUK/ACP deadline date for publication (as a BRM(PBP)). (I do not know.)

Re: PBP 2019 Qualifiers.
« Reply #163 on: October 30, 2018, 03:26:02 pm »
The events within the windows are scheduled and intended to be used as PBP qualifiers, but that doesn't meant the events outside them aren't also valid as qualifiers. I think in 2015 there were no AUK BRMs outside the window, so the wording (which has no been recycled) didn't have to account for that.

The ACP brochure has this wording:

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To qualify for PBP you must complete a Super Randonneur brevet series (200, 300, 400, and 600 km) of ACP-sanctioned brevets in 2019. Those brevets are offered in over 65 countries around the world.
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For example, we are suggesting the following schedule to regional brevet administrators in France:

This makes clear who the intended audience is for the windows, and that they're only suggestions.