Author Topic: Is This The End Of Retail?  (Read 8015 times)

Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #175 on: November 02, 2018, 09:24:07 am »
Perhaps the future of retail might be that all the big stores will exist as warehouses, websites and liveried vans, because there isn't really much physically to either cause us to visit their shops or distinguish one from the other; while "shopping centres" (high streets) become much smaller and consist of independent traders and small makers? And cafes of course. That's until Donald presses the great button of course. (But probably it will be something different.)
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #176 on: November 02, 2018, 09:30:52 am »
For that to happen there has to be a rebalancing of the cost base. Currently land and rateable value out of town is cheap, in town is horribly expensive. Councils have used Business Rates as a way of keeping Council Tax down. Land prices and occupancy costs in the U.K. skew running a retail business horribly. (One reason why cross-border price comparisons are dangerous - we like having expensive houses but hate the other consequences of expensive land). For the independent retailer high rent and rates mean less money for staff, refits, experimental stock etc.

It is very difficult to run an independent retail business in the current market, but these businesses contribute hugely to the UKs economy, unlike the Internet giants, which satisfy the cheap and now mentality but give precious little back.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #177 on: November 02, 2018, 09:39:18 am »
Well, they're supposed to be turning Croydon into another gleaming Westfields. I'm not sure if they're going to tell the residents before the bombs fall. I have wandered through the Stratford one a couple of times on my way from the station to the aqua-place. I'm evidently not retail-inclined, they always feel dystopian to me. I expect there's a plain door somewhere, tucked between gleaming store fronts that you really shouldn't open. I warned you.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #178 on: November 02, 2018, 09:45:23 am »
I imagine the the Burlington Arcade felt dystopian when it first opened.  ;D
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #179 on: November 02, 2018, 10:01:35 am »
Is that the place they dress beagles as people?

My mum took me on a coach trip to the Bullring in Brum when I was little. It took hours and we saw spaghetti junction (seriously, it was part of the trip). Is it still there? Probably called Intu Birmingham or something.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #180 on: November 02, 2018, 10:06:12 am »
It was knocked down. And Bullring rose from the ashes.

So the original centre, (which was one of the first, if not the first indoor centre) stood about 35 years, the last ten of which in terminal decline. It really was ghastly.

History going back 900 years.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #181 on: November 02, 2018, 10:57:18 am »
I imagine the the Burlington Arcade felt dystopian when it first opened.  ;D
I bet it didn't. I bet it felt luxurious and "reassuringly expensive" if you could afford to shop there, and fairy-tale-ish or a good place to knick stuff if you couldn't. An arcade with only two ends to get in and out and not being a public highway offers an element of control as to who gets in or out. The roof adds to the feeling of protection within as well as protecting from the elements. But in one aspect at least it wasn't like a modern shopping centre when it opened, as each shop must have offered unique goods. Well, there would have been nothing else anywhere back then.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #182 on: November 02, 2018, 11:05:45 am »
I bet it didn't have a Nandos.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #183 on: November 02, 2018, 12:52:04 pm »
I imagine the the Burlington Arcade felt dystopian when it first opened.  ;D
I bet it didn't. I bet it felt luxurious and "reassuringly expensive" if you could afford to shop there, and fairy-tale-ish or a good place to knick stuff if you couldn't. An arcade with only two ends to get in and out and not being a public highway offers an element of control as to who gets in or out. The roof adds to the feeling of protection within as well as protecting from the elements.

So, the forerunner of Westfield then.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #184 on: November 02, 2018, 12:57:21 pm »
Didn't The Wrong Hammond just announce a scheme to cut business rates for independent shops? I'm not sure how "independent" was defined, or maybe it was "small", or how big the cuts were. Will that enable physical shops to compete?
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #185 on: November 02, 2018, 01:13:13 pm »
 Meadowhall had The Lanes part of the place that initially had independent traders in it. Increasingly though, it’s been taken over by the chains with small ‘boutique’ outlets because it’s suposedly twee.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #186 on: November 02, 2018, 01:14:31 pm »
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People don't want bricks and mortar shops any more...
Speak for yourself. I bloody well do.
Why would you want to spend time travelling into town and travelling all the way back again to/from a shop that might not even have what you want?  :-\ ???
And why would I want to spend time sitting in front of a computer fighting with a shit web site, not able to examine the thing I want to buy, then have to hang around waiting for a courier who may or may not deliver what I've ordered or even if something is delivered it's the wrong thing because the fulfillment centre doesn't pay proper wages so gets the sort of workers that shit wages attract.  Of course that's assuming the web retailer really has what you want in stock and doesn't say "Oops sorry, we *thought* we had it, but we don't really. Try again in a day or two.  Sorreee" when you get to the bit where you pay.  Oh and just how many web sites do you know that accept cash or have real live people that you can quiz about the thing you want to buy?

And there's this marvellous invention called, "The Telephone" that let's me talk to people a long, long way away and if I really want to avoid a possibly fruitless round trip I can make a "Telephone Call" to find out whether or not the shop has what I want in stock.

*snork*

As if anyone would willingly endure a telephone call when there's a perfectly good website or physical shop they can use...
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #187 on: November 02, 2018, 01:28:44 pm »
Didn't The Wrong Hammond just announce a scheme to cut business rates for independent shops? I'm not sure how "independent" was defined, or maybe it was "small", or how big the cuts were. Will that enable physical shops to compete?

Most quite small businesses are exempt (currently) from business rates. So it won't have a great effect on them. It is a start and a recognition that the playing field is currently at about a 45˚ slope.

It will help medium sized ones (rateable value c£12k plus?)
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #188 on: November 02, 2018, 02:56:01 pm »
I imagine the the Burlington Arcade felt dystopian when it first opened.  ;D
I bet it didn't. I bet it felt luxurious and "reassuringly expensive" if you could afford to shop there, and fairy-tale-ish or a good place to knick stuff if you couldn't. An arcade with only two ends to get in and out and not being a public highway offers an element of control as to who gets in or out. The roof adds to the feeling of protection within as well as protecting from the elements.

So, the forerunner of Westfield then.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #189 on: November 02, 2018, 05:00:51 pm »
You can evade zombies by the mere expedient of walking quickly. They're only dangerous if, say, you plan to take a long bath or get engrossed in a good book.

So, truly, if the dead rise, it will be awful.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #190 on: November 02, 2018, 05:13:55 pm »
IME the zombies tend to come from the shopping centres.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #191 on: November 02, 2018, 05:46:32 pm »
Surely they'd stay in the shopping centre. There's nothing outside for them.

In my great unpublished novel, the apocalypse is averted by the forces of good – ok, they're not strictly good, but sometimes you have to work with what you have – in Croydon's Whitgift Centre. There were no zombies though, just a dead librarian, angelic assassins, a pair of lovestruck demons, a serial killer, and the teeming dead. That might be why it's unpublished and you're be relieved to know Croydon survives. It's really good though. Really quite disturbing – ian's wife. #blatantyetpointlessselfpromotion.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #192 on: November 02, 2018, 08:11:17 pm »
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Really quite disturbing – ian's wife.
Is your wife describing you or your unpublished book?
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #193 on: November 02, 2018, 08:16:23 pm »
I don't want to know about the unpublished book.

I want to know about the published ones!
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #194 on: November 02, 2018, 08:22:43 pm »
Meadowhall had The Lanes part of the place that initially had independent traders in it. Increasingly though, it’s been taken over by the chains with small ‘boutique’ outlets because it’s suposedly twee.

Yes, that was one such area. Nowadays you tend to get the opposite - areas set aside for more upscale retailers. Westfield White City has this, I'm not sure about Stratford.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #195 on: November 02, 2018, 09:03:13 pm »
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Really quite disturbing – ian's wife.
Is your wife describing you or your unpublished book?

She was, with hindsight, non-specific. But I think she meant the book. It's just your everyday tale of a dead librarian saving an ungrateful world. There are a lot of dead babies, I suppose, but really you're not going to find Girl Scouts in Hell. I have to save something for the sequel, after all. Yeah, I should be working to sell it. No more toiling in the thought leadership mines. Genre fiction. I'll be so rich.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #196 on: November 03, 2018, 12:37:19 am »
I'll be so rich.
I believe that one of the precursors to this state is to actually publish. I’m sorry, I didn’t want to piss on your bonfire* but I didn’t want you to spend money you’ve not actually got yet.

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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #197 on: November 14, 2018, 08:41:46 pm »
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #198 on: November 14, 2018, 08:43:21 pm »
Their buildings must be worth more than that! If they actually own them.
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Re: Is This The End Of Retail?
« Reply #199 on: November 15, 2018, 01:15:06 am »
Fundamentally the Government of the UK has to decide whether value from retail transactions goes to off-shore companies, or stays here.

I'm sure they know the risks involved, in terms of rents, rates, employment, infrastructure, associated industry, and will consider all.

Alternatively, because Brexit,
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