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Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #500 on: October 19, 2018, 10:49:45 pm »
...Stick a DBA and a programmer in a room and they would have a...

...fight.

 :D
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that's not science, it's semantics.

quixoticgeek

  • Mostly Harmless
Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #501 on: October 19, 2018, 10:58:57 pm »
There are some very good points made above by Alex, Chris, Manotea, BB and others. Audax by it’s nature is awash with IT professionals. We can see how the project could be run better. But we voted for the board to make these decisions and this is what they have decided.

'Could be run better' doesn't begin to describe the situation; nobody envisaged the Board would consider spending £500k on a website, and certainly not on 'half a website'.

Given AUK is a member run org, is there not a mechanism to overthrow the board to stop these decisions being made?

J
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Manotea

  • Where there is doubt...
Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #502 on: October 19, 2018, 11:04:20 pm »
There are some very good points made above by Alex, Chris, Manotea, BB and others. Audax by it’s nature is awash with IT professionals. We can see how the project could be run better. But we voted for the board to make these decisions and this is what they have decided.

'Could be run better' doesn't begin to describe the situation; nobody envisaged the Board would consider spending £500k on a website, and certainly not on 'half a website'.

Given AUK is a member run org, is there not a mechanism to overthrow the board to stop these decisions being made?

J

Provisons exist for a vote of no confidence but thats extreme; what does seem appropriate - as the sums involved are getting ever larger - are to introduce some spending constraints on the board, to ensure such major decision are properly reviewed and approved by the membership.

As it happens Ive already submitted a resolution for the next AGM which includes such measures. You'll need to sign on to the AUK forum to see it though.  Clicky

quixoticgeek

  • Mostly Harmless
Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #503 on: October 19, 2018, 11:05:29 pm »
Provisons exist for a vote of no confidence but thats extreme; what does seem appropriate - as teh sums involved are getting ever  larger - are to introduce some spending constraints on teh board, to ensire such major decision are properly reviewed and approved by the membership.

As it happens Ive already submitted a resolution for teh next AGM which includes such measures. You'll need to sign on to the AUK forum to see it though.

That works.

I can't make the AGM, is there a mechanism for proxy voting?

J
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Beer, bikes, and backpacking
http://b.42q.eu/

Manotea

  • Where there is doubt...
Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #504 on: October 19, 2018, 11:06:54 pm »
Provisons exist for a vote of no confidence but thats extreme; what does seem appropriate - as teh sums involved are getting ever  larger - are to introduce some spending constraints on teh board, to ensire such major decision are properly reviewed and approved by the membership.

As it happens Ive already submitted a resolution for the next AGM which includes such measures. You'll need to sign on to the AUK forum to see it though.

That works.

I can't make the AGM, is there a mechanism for proxy voting?

J
  There is.

j_a_m_e_s_

  • Prisoner 17091
    • AUK results
Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #505 on: October 20, 2018, 07:41:59 am »
There are some very good points made above by Alex, Chris, Manotea, BB and others. Audax by it’s nature is awash with IT professionals. We can see how the project could be run better. But we voted for the board to make these decisions and this is what they have decided.

'Could be run better' doesn't begin to describe the situation; nobody envisaged the Board would consider spending £500k on a website, and certainly not on 'half a website'.

Given AUK is a member run org, is there not a mechanism to overthrow the board to stop these decisions being made?

J

Provisons exist for a vote of no confidence but thats extreme; what does seem appropriate - as the sums involved are getting ever larger - are to introduce some spending constraints on the board, to ensure such major decision are properly reviewed and approved by the membership.

As it happens Ive already submitted a resolution for the next AGM which includes such measures. You'll need to sign on to the AUK forum to see it though.  Clicky

Your link take me to a very enthralling conversation between a points chasing behemoth and a mountain of a AAA man.

Try this

I think in principle the resolution is a grand idea, and I'll be backing it, inspite of the threat of people "needing to think carefully....with that type of restriction in place".
If it goes through though, I can't help but think that it will interpreted it as something along the lines of "well we don't need to ask for permission for any of the IT project as the membership has already said yes in the past."

Rule 77

Manotea

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Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #506 on: October 20, 2018, 08:55:16 am »
The problem stems from an arrogant "we know best" attitude and that the Board is (now) empowered to do much as they please without reference to the members customers

(ref : Whitedown Mans post upthread about the Board acquiring the right to increase membership fees  without seeking membership approval when the company Articles were revised at the last AGM, whilst advising members 'nothing had changed').

A Board focused on and directly answerable to the membership would have had pause for thought and worked to explain their proposals better rather than simply rush into this.

Mea Culpa: I pushed for changes which would encourage the Board to take a long term view and tackle larger projects like IT renewal. However I also pushed for changes to promote transparency, communication and dialogue between Board and members. The two go together.

What we've seen is a short-term approach and little in the way of communication and transparency (notices of impending doom don't count).

So we need to remind the Board, 'they work for us' and build/restore safeguards into the company Articles.

Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #507 on: October 20, 2018, 11:30:23 am »
You also need to remind yourselves that you're discussing this in front of an audience of potential members and so are not helping promote the organisation. Remember the first rule of fight club. Maybe the first IT priority should be to improve the AUK forums.

Jaded

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Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #508 on: October 20, 2018, 11:43:23 am »
Divide and rule.

The best place to have a conversation is the place that the conversation is most likely to happen.
If you don't like your democracy, vote against it.

j_a_m_e_s_

  • Prisoner 17091
    • AUK results
Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #509 on: October 20, 2018, 12:34:56 pm »
You also need to remind yourselves that you're discussing this in front of an audience of potential members and so are not helping promote the organisation. Remember the first rule of fight club. Maybe the first IT priority should be to improve the AUK forums.

A lot of people break the first two rules.....
Rule 77

Phil W

Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #510 on: October 20, 2018, 02:33:32 pm »
We don't talk about fight club...

Re: AUK FINANCES AND WEBSITE PROJECT was: AUK CHAIRMAN STATEMENT
« Reply #511 on: October 20, 2018, 02:34:53 pm »
I missed the first few minutes of fight club. It's awesome, I'm going to tell everyone about it.

Anyway, back to Project Boondoggle.
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