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Andy Corless

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Fort William 1000
« on: September 14, 2018, 04:37:19 pm »
I'd like to introduce the Fort William 1000 being held over the weekend of 05 - 08 July 2019. A few brief details:

Starting and finishing in the Lancashire seaside town of Lytham St. Anne's, the route heads north to Carlisle and into Scotland, to a control at Paisley at roughly 300 km where food/sleep arrangements are being made. There's a drop-bag to Paisley.

The route then follows a 400 km loop around central Scotland, passing through, or close to Inveraray; Oban; Fort William and Glen Coe before returning to Paisley at about 700 km.

The 300 km south-bound route from Paisley back to Lytham is the exact reverse of the north-bound route.

Entry fee of £57.40 includes, but not limited to:

Brevet card with detailed route-sheet
3rd party insurance for UK-based participants
Breakfast on the morning of the event (Friday 05 July 2019)
Basic sleeping facilities; showers; food & drink at the Paisley control (roughly 300km & 700 km)
Bag drop from Lytham to Paisley
Breakfast on the morning after the event (Monday 08 July 2019)
Validation with AUK & ACP for successful riders
Commemorative water-bottle & medal
Any photograph's taken by the organiser during the event

There likely be a commemorative event cycling jersey available for purchase (typically £40 each) in the new year.

1000 km not enough?

If 1000 km isn't enough for you then you can perhaps try your hand at the Inverness 1200 which is being run con-currently. Both events start and finish at Lytham at the same time and more or less follow the same route to and from Fort William (see other YACF post for further information). Both events are run at the same speeds (13.3 - 30 kph).

Transfer of entries:

If, after you've already entered you decide you'd prefer to ride the Inverness 1200 instead, we'll transfer your entry from one event to the other free of charge up to anytime prior to the event start time (subject to the completion of a little bit more paperwork obtainable from the organiser).

Transfers won't be allowed after the event has started as this is against the original Audax ethos.

More information available on the event website: 

https://burnleyccevents.com/fort-william-1000-05-july-2019/


For the AUK calendar webpage:

http://www.aukweb.net/events/detail/19-586/

Good luck to anyone who decides to enter.

Andy Corless
Organiser
Fort William 1000

FifeingEejit

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2018, 04:51:59 pm »
Hope the bag drop and sleeping facilities aren't being managed by some locals normally found offering to "Mind yer car mister!"


Have entered, fancied a 1000 next year and thought i'd better sign up before being reminded how boring the B7076 is next weekend

Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2018, 05:38:21 pm »
This is very tempting, especially since I've been wanting to explore Scotland by bike. I'm checking right now if I don't have any obligations at work in this period  :)

Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2018, 05:48:43 pm »
I'm going to reply to this, as the idea is tempting though I'm unsure about fitting a sensible amount of riding in beforehand.  ???

FifeingEejit

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2018, 05:53:52 pm »
This is very tempting, especially since I've been wanting to explore Scotland by bike. I'm checking right now if I don't have any obligations at work in this period  :)

Was about to say something along the lines of "Paisley to Fort Bill will be in darkness"; then I realized it's 2 weeks after the Solstice; choose your sleeping times wisely and you won't need lights to see with. Or if you're like me, Bring a dark buff to act as a multi function blindfold.

Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2018, 04:44:40 pm »
[...]

Was about to say something along the lines of "Paisley to Fort Bill will be in darkness"; then I realized it's 2 weeks after the Solstice; choose your sleeping times wisely and you won't need lights to see with. Or if you're like me, Bring a dark buff to act as a multi function blindfold.

I checked the sunset times in Fort Williams early July and it seems to be properly dark from 11:15pm to 3:30am. Since I'm not a full value rider: 300 on Friday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, 400 on Saturday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, finish the remaining 300 on Sunday? Probably way too optimistic, but I'm sure I get to enjoy some of the scenery ;-)

Don't you need the buff to keep the midges out of your mouth?

Anyway, no work obligations, so I'm going to enter tonight.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2018, 05:19:50 pm »
[...]

Was about to say something along the lines of "Paisley to Fort Bill will be in darkness"; then I realized it's 2 weeks after the Solstice; choose your sleeping times wisely and you won't need lights to see with. Or if you're like me, Bring a dark buff to act as a multi function blindfold.

I checked the sunset times in Fort Williams early July and it seems to be properly dark from 11:15pm to 3:30am. Since I'm not a full value rider: 300 on Friday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, 400 on Saturday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, finish the remaining 300 on Sunday? Probably way too optimistic, but I'm sure I get to enjoy some of the scenery ;-)


Depends what you consider proper darkness

There's no night time or Astronomical twilight at that time of year, and if there's no clouds there's 4 hours of Nautical twilight and only 2 hrs 15 of Civil, .
So basically the sky will only be properly dark if there is heavy cloud cover; as your eyes adjust there would be enough light to see by without a torch.

See the picture on timeanddate for an idea of what each one means for darkness
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/fort-william

I've twice made the mistake of not taking something to cover my eyes while camping; once was early-may at Sheildaig when on thinking "it should be getting dark soon" I looked at my watch and realized it was 2am and was only going to get lighter.
and the second time was before the 400k I did at the end of July in Gala

Your timing plans fit with the darkest part of the day though; my problem with following the same plan is that it's too early for me to fall asleep unless I'm properly knackered.



FifeingEejit

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2018, 05:30:16 pm »
Of course legally we will have to show lights between 11:45 and 0300; but that's to be seen, not to see by which is down to how much light your eyes let in, how well you cope with shadows etc etc etc.

I'll hopefully have a better idea of how long the first 300 will take by Saturday afternoon, but I can see it being long before it's time for me to sleep.

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2018, 06:25:40 pm »
Depends what you consider proper darkness

There's no night time or Astronomical twilight at that time of year, and if there's no clouds there's 4 hours of Nautical twilight and only 2 hrs 15 of Civil, .
So basically the sky will only be properly dark if there is heavy cloud cover; as your eyes adjust there would be enough light to see by without a torch.

I don't disagree with your facts, but your conclusions are rather glass half-empty :)

The problem only exists if it's a lovely clear night - well I for one will be praying for such a thing. I'd rather deal with the "problem" you describe above than riding through a night of pishing* rain!

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FifeingEejit

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2018, 10:07:38 pm »
Depends what you consider proper darkness

There's no night time or Astronomical twilight at that time of year, and if there's no clouds there's 4 hours of Nautical twilight and only 2 hrs 15 of Civil, .
So basically the sky will only be properly dark if there is heavy cloud cover; as your eyes adjust there would be enough light to see by without a torch.

I don't disagree with your facts, but your conclusions are rather glass half-empty :)

The problem only exists if it's a lovely clear night - well I for one will be praying for such a thing. I'd rather deal with the "problem" you describe above than riding through a night of pishing* rain!

*(have I got the vernacular right?  :-\  )

Oh I too hope for a good clear night particularly given I'm a night owl; maybe being from the "dry" part of Scotland is where my half empty glass comes from.
Yes you have the venacular right.

Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2018, 07:08:56 pm »
Just signed up for this, looking forward to it as I haven't cycled the west coast since I moved away from the area nearly 20 years ago.

Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2018, 11:16:57 pm »
I checked the sunset times in Fort Williams early July and it seems to be properly dark from 11:15pm to 3:30am. Since I'm not a full value rider: 300 on Friday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, 400 on Saturday, sleep/shower/eat from 11:15pm to 3:30am, finish the remaining 300 on Sunday? Probably way too optimistic, but I'm sure I get to enjoy some of the scenery ;-)
Pasting across my post from the Inverness 1200 thread.

"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"

Plans and organisation is underway for a second control in the Fort William area, serving both events!
Andy Corless
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 320km (D1 0800-0100)
Paisley > Fort William 212km (D2 0500-1600)
Fort William > Crianlarich (82km)
(and same to Paisley)
Paisley > finish 320km ?
Assumes 19kph average during D1 and D2 riding.
To finish in 75 hours so by 1100 D4.
Time in hand = ? hours
"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"
You'd need (and want) to press on after eating at Fort William. Crianlarich (with its YH) is 82km from Fort William (which would make a (short) 294km day. @Phil W might advocate the heated waiting rooms at Tyndrum/Crianlarich (last train gone by 2200).
And if a rider (on the 1000) wished to stop 'overnight' to sleep at the end of Day 3, then Kendal (http://www.kendalhostel.com/) is 82km from the finish (328km from Crianlarich)
Trying to do the loop from Paisley up to Fort William and back in one go is a strong shout but doable (382km from a (say) 5am start) - no doubt some will do it.
Sunset 2202/sunrise 0441/moon: http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=55.831730,-4.432540&center=55.8317,-4.4325&z=18&spn=0.00,0.00&dt=20190706222900%2B0100

FifeingEejit

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Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2018, 11:09:25 am »
So it's nae gonnae be a braw bricht moonlicht nicht that nicht.

Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2018, 08:11:24 pm »
[...]
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28889542?beta=false
Lytham St Anne's > Paisley 320km (D1 0800-0100)
Paisley > Fort William 212km (D2 0500-1600)
Fort William > Crianlarich (82km)
(and same to Paisley)
Paisley > finish 320km ?
Assumes 19kph average during D1 and D2 riding.
To finish in 75 hours so by 1100 D4.
Time in hand = ? hours
"I have been thinking about the 1000. Where would the sleep be on the second day?"
You'd need (and want) to press on after eating at Fort William. Crianlarich (with its YH) is 82km from Fort William (which would make a (short) 294km day. @Phil W might advocate the heated waiting rooms at Tyndrum/Crianlarich (last train gone by 2200).
And if a rider (on the 1000) wished to stop 'overnight' to sleep at the end of Day 3, then Kendal (http://www.kendalhostel.com/) is 82km from the finish (328km from Crianlarich)
Trying to do the loop from Paisley up to Fort William and back in one go is a strong shout but doable (382km from a (say) 5am start) - no doubt some will do it.
Sunset 2202/sunrise 0441/moon: http://app.photoephemeris.com/?ll=55.831730,-4.432540&center=55.8317,-4.4325&z=18&spn=0.00,0.00&dt=20190706222900%2B0100

Thanks for the potential place to crash along the route. It seems like a pretty flat course, so the loop from Paisley up to Fort William and back in one go (on day 2) still seems very doable  ;)

Anyway, I booked the ferry to Newcastle. Just hoping I won't need to apply for a visa after brexit...


Re: Fort William 1000
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2018, 08:08:54 pm »
Crazy or not, am booked in ...
 ::-)
I dunno why anybody's doing this!