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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #150 on: June 03, 2019, 07:41:23 pm »
So I am trying to plan now and thinking of doing Paisley to Inverness in one go ... so to confirm on likely route I am guessing that no real 24 hour services etc ??? So I would need to get enough food etc to last me until 7/8 am ?
Paisley to Inverness is 320km. The day before (starting at 8am) you'll have done 324km ish - presumably 0800-0200 ish so 18 hour (guessing but YMMV) and then sleep stop. Paisley control closing time (northbound) will be about 8:15am.
What time do you plan to start to "do Paisley to Inverness in one go " to arrive at 7am?  The Inverness control closing time will be about 11am.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
Just beyond (ie on the Oban road) the turning up over Connel Bridge (473km) there's a 24 hour garage at Dunbeg - 4km diversion 'stub' required. But it may be that Andy uses that garage as the '(near) Oban' control. But I don't think a control near Oban is necessary for route definition. From Inveraray to Fort William you'll be taking the A85/A828/A82 whatever.

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #151 on: June 03, 2019, 08:10:54 pm »
Thanks ! as I look at it (allowing for weather) I would aim to be in Paisley for around 10PM or so then rest up for a couple of hours and go then to try and get to Inverness for say 4pm, got an hotel booked so I get a lot of rest then !  For those of you with experience am I pushing this ??

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #152 on: June 03, 2019, 11:33:18 pm »
I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.

They are just beyond Fort William, towards Inverness. We used to use one on the Daylight 600. They could be made the control.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.8351064,-5.0752723,3a,75y,324.04h,92.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D46.43592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Cheers so the stretch to fort Bill will need to make sure enough provisions then !

The garage on the A85 on the way in/out of Oban at Dunbeg is also 24hr...
Whether it's acceptable as the Oban control which is listed on that leg of the route is a different question. Saves a few km compared to dropping into town (unless there's an info to take us through Glencruitten)

Quick bash through the controls on the AUK site
Hackthorpe, - Village hall
Gretna Green,  - 24hr services, village shop (Springfield) or outlet village?
Abington, - 24hr services
Paisley, - Hall
Inveraray, - 2 outdoor cash machines, 1 at the RBS next to the town hall the other is a CashZone at the londis so you'll get a location code rather than "Inverary", nothing else open at night unless the car park on the short issues useful tickets.
Oban, - Dubeg 24hr petrol, cash machines in town, first ferry is iirc 5am so probably something open early morning
Fort William, - 24hr petrol at junction with the Mallaig road
Crianlarich, - Pubs/Hotels till midnightish, shop shuts around 5pm IIRC, station tea room shut sundays, nothing else...
Paisley, - Hall
Abington, - 24hr services
Gretna Green  - 24hr services
and Carnforth - Truck Stop?


Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #153 on: June 04, 2019, 09:10:00 am »
Thanks a lot that’s brilliant to map out and make a note of

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #154 on: June 04, 2019, 12:17:35 pm »
Quick update on Inverary
It's NoteMachine's that don't show location, they're found on Scotmid Co-Ops.
Think CashZone does but also likely to charge you for cash.

There appears to be a new big co-op in Inverary, which has a cash machine outside on "the avenue"
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co-op+Food+-+Inveraray+New/@56.2287026,-5.076393,3a,86.4y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sAF1QipOGT_V_MSzxIXE7TISkWcZ3zbFOQKLBmpX91nAw!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOGT_V_MSzxIXE7TISkWcZ3zbFOQKLBmpX91nAw%3Dw152-h86-k-no!7i1280!8i720!4m8!1m2!2m1!1sshop!3m4!1s0x0:0xd13948796d6b695a!8m2!3d56.2287027!4d-5.076393

Unlike at ScotMids, Co-Op group ATMs are usually good for PoP.

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #155 on: June 04, 2019, 12:34:50 pm »
I've always preferred to get from Carlisle to Penrith via Calthwaite, which means that you can drop into Southwaite services easily. Likewise if you go from Kendal to Carnforth via Burton in Kendal, you can use the services at Burton.

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #156 on: June 05, 2019, 10:16:56 am »
I have amended my RwGPS plot: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false
and made the following notes:
Cockerham, Lancaster and A6 to Carnforth. Then Kendal, Shap, Lowther, Penrith, Carlisle, then //M74 via Gretna to beyond Abington, Kirkmuirhill west on B7806 via Strathaven and A726/A727 to Darnley, Paisley, Helensburgh, Inverary, Dunbeg (NE of Oban), Fort William, Inverness, Fort William, Tyndrum, Dumbarton, Paisley
Notes:
1. Return route from Paisley is the reverse of the way north. In the final hour towards the Wyre, best to stay on the A588, though.
2. Carnforth to Kendal via Burton (A6070/A65: less climb and far less busy than A6 and A590 dual carriageway).
3. Have routed on A82 from Ft Augustus northbound (keen to get to Inverness stop) and then SE of the loch via Foyers for the return.
4. Pending the revelation of the 'Oban' control I have routed this track to the Esso garage at Dunbeg, a few km short of Oban. The '1200' distance is already 'long' and setting Oban as the control will just add to that (and it's a hard old hill out of Oban).
5. This route plot takes the excellent (surface and wide) canal towpath for the bit south of Ft Augustus and then again drops down to the canal past the Commando Memorial (photo) above Spean Bridge to take the towpath to Banavie and thence Ft William. Recommended (and flatter).

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #157 on: June 05, 2019, 01:02:44 pm »
I've just realized I only gave the control list for the 1000 in my post above.

I've also been scoping out the possible scout halls in Paisley but don't want to batter out a route for the 1000 before andy confirms the actual control.

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #158 on: June 14, 2019, 05:28:09 pm »
got the last of my stuff ready for this. Though had to quit a DIY last week as weather too foul, and if as bad I will not start ! however one little treat ... got myself a new bike on cycle to work to scheme, a boardman Alu one which got for 850 (150 trade in for my old one !!) and only pay back 650 through scheme ...

nice study, reliable ...

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #159 on: June 17, 2019, 12:49:47 pm »
Has anybody put together a GPX route for the Inverness one? I’ll bob something on using Komoot but I’m quite a main road kind of rider and it probably won’t suit everybody so would be good to make a comparison and where required, alterations. TIA
Don't die wondering...

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #160 on: June 17, 2019, 01:09:11 pm »
This is really useful, thanks  :thumbsup:

I'm sure there are 24-hour garages in Fort Bill.

They are just beyond Fort William, towards Inverness. We used to use one on the Daylight 600. They could be made the control.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.8351064,-5.0752723,3a,75y,324.04h,92.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFU3TMv4vwmXk3LG1O9sZsw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D46.43592%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Cheers so the stretch to fort Bill will need to make sure enough provisions then !

The garage on the A85 on the way in/out of Oban at Dunbeg is also 24hr...
Whether it's acceptable as the Oban control which is listed on that leg of the route is a different question. Saves a few km compared to dropping into town (unless there's an info to take us through Glencruitten)

Quick bash through the controls on the AUK site
Hackthorpe, - Village hall
Gretna Green,  - 24hr services, village shop (Springfield) or outlet village?
Abington, - 24hr services
Paisley, - Hall
Inveraray, - 2 outdoor cash machines, 1 at the RBS next to the town hall the other is a CashZone at the londis so you'll get a location code rather than "Inverary", nothing else open at night unless the car park on the short issues useful tickets.
Oban, - Dubeg 24hr petrol, cash machines in town, first ferry is iirc 5am so probably something open early morning
Fort William, - 24hr petrol at junction with the Mallaig road
Crianlarich, - Pubs/Hotels till midnightish, shop shuts around 5pm IIRC, station tea room shut sundays, nothing else...
Paisley, - Hall
Abington, - 24hr services
Gretna Green  - 24hr services
and Carnforth - Truck Stop?
Don't die wondering...

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #161 on: June 17, 2019, 03:01:06 pm »
I have amended my RwGPS plot: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/28872782?beta=false

Just looked at that, some notes:
- Scout hut is at the Heyhouses lane end of the road you're starting on, shortest route likely to be inland to Poulton-le-flyde rather than up the beach, there's plenty of time to have a run in with weegies later on in the ride.
- Entrance to Gretna services is difficult to spot (not signed), and what's worse on exit you have to take the route signed "South" from the car park just to mess with your head (well not really, motorway services with direct access/egress of the motorway aren't meant to sign the Service/NMU roads), probably worth adding to the route.
- Stay on the B7076 at Lockerbie rather than go through town
- I took Stra(tha)ven road out of Lesmahagow on BGB last year, I'd hope Scottish water haven't got 6 sets of traffic lights on it this time, otherwise it was all right.
- There's an odd loop at EK, the less time spent there the better so...
- On BGB riders that went by EK instead of dodging it found decent cycle tracks alongside the main road that aren't on the OSM map
- Location of Paisley control may completely change approach route as when I was playing with Google it had a different suggested route for StJames, Canal and Gilmour Street.
- Route at Foyers on return from Inverness looks interesting, seems to be the longer and steeper option
- Return route goes down Fort William "High Street", The No Cycling restriction is policed, it's a dive anyway.
- A82 Crianlarich Bypass is mapped, if there is a control there then need to take the A85 and come out on the old A82 route by the west side of the station, the shop and hostel are on the road up the east side of the station, café can be accessed by either, but you're going to have to be quick to catch it unless they've decided to open on the Sabbath.


Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #162 on: June 17, 2019, 04:45:37 pm »
Open on Sunday ??? I thought that was only western isles not the mainland ?

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #163 on: June 17, 2019, 06:29:54 pm »
Scotland's hit or miss on Sundays; places are either open normal or marginally reduced hours or they're shut.
If not for religious reasons then for staffing purposes.

Further investigation shows that the tea room's facebook page lists Sunday as closed, but the "about" says they're open 7 days easter to october.

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #164 on: June 17, 2019, 09:13:22 pm »
Scotland's hit or miss on Sundays; places are either open normal or marginally reduced hours or they're shut.
If not for religious reasons then for staffing purposes.

Further investigation shows that the tea room's facebook page lists Sunday as closed, but the "about" says they're open 7 days easter to october.

Ok so best idea is top up when I can then even if I don’t think will need it

FifeingEejit

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #165 on: June 17, 2019, 09:23:31 pm »
Scotland's hit or miss on Sundays; places are either open normal or marginally reduced hours or they're shut.
If not for religious reasons then for staffing purposes.

Further investigation shows that the tea room's facebook page lists Sunday as closed, but the "about" says they're open 7 days easter to october.

Ok so best idea is top up when I can then even if I don’t think will need it

Should be ok at all controls during daytime, Crianlarich's the only one likely to be a problem in the wee sma' hours.
Away from controls, There's a Big Co-Op at Ballachulish (0700-2200) if you need it, Fort Augustus and Drumnadrochaid (Chippy 1200-2200 Sat, 1500-2200 Sun) are fairly decent touristic spots so should be ok during normal hours, middle of the night there will be nothing

It's when you see the "café 250m" sign in the middle of nowhere and your spirits lift and then discover it's shut; also most bike shops are shut Sundays, that's definitely for religious reasons.

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #166 on: June 17, 2019, 09:25:57 pm »
Cheers mate !! Adding to my plans and thoughts for it ... the key is what I do once I reach Paisley

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #167 on: June 17, 2019, 09:39:23 pm »
Crainlarich railway station is unmanned and has an unlocked waiting room at the far end with two long benches plus a heater and lighting.  Last train sometime around 10pm and first train is about 5:30am from memory; so there's a window when you won't be disturbed, it shows the time of next train on the trackside digital displays.  If you arrive early hours and need a rest / somewhere dry and warm it may be useful.  A picture of the platform together with the digital display may work as a timed proof of passage,  I slept there, early hours,  on the West Highlands 1000 last year.

Green Welly in Tyndrum has an outside water tap by the shop door.

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #168 on: June 17, 2019, 09:42:20 pm »
Cheers mate !! Adding to my plans and thoughts for it ... the key is what I do once I reach Paisley

For the 1000 and looking at my BGB time to Darnley (which was overnight and I faffed at controls) I reckon I could be in Paisley for 11pm; if it was a 600 I'd want to keep going until around 3am as by then I should get to sleep easily!
But that would put me near Faslane...

There's not a lot roadside on the A83, and my attempt to hide from hailstones in the bus stop at the top of the Rest was unsuccessful enough for me to make a dash back to the car (I'd decided to ride up all legs of it and had just decided not to repeat the descent and do the main road leg as it was busy enough and windy enough to be a problem on the descent)

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #169 on: June 17, 2019, 11:37:33 pm »
Has anybody put together a GPX route for the Inverness one? I’ll bob something on using Komoot but I’m quite a main road kind of rider and it probably won’t suit everybody so would be good to make a comparison and where required, alterations. TIA

24-hour McD's in Balloch as well, Jay :P https://goo.gl/maps/ATTnkpyB9S6C71p27

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #170 on: June 18, 2019, 04:55:39 pm »
I would want a route filled with them
Don't die wondering...

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #171 on: June 18, 2019, 06:27:22 pm »
24-hour McD's in Balloch as well, Jay :P https://goo.gl/maps/ATTnkpyB9S6C71p27
Balloch - at 893km on the route I've plotted. Only an hour (or so) further to the manned Paisley control, though.
Have kept route through Lockerbie - for shop/cafe/fish and chips (?Tower Fish Bar).
"- There's an odd loop at EK, the less time spent there the better so..." I have removed the RwGPS 'East Kilbride loop' = 5km 'less'.
Have sent the route into/round Gretna Services - as FE said: very easily missed.
On way south, there's a shop as one enters Tyndrum which was open very early Sunday (on WH1000 - we didn't stop long as the midgies fancied a second breakfast too), with the Green Welly still comatose (but NB tap).

Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #172 on: Yesterday at 07:12:26 pm »
Andy has just sent an email update and check your mails for it

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Re: Inverness 1200
« Reply #173 on: Yesterday at 10:00:17 pm »
I dread to think what sort of creatures will be hanging around Balloch McDonalds in the early hours of a morning, or in fact at Breakfast, dinner or tea time.
Halbeath and Forfar can be disturbing enough.

Or are Alexandrians not allowed to cross the road?