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quixoticgeek

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Brevet 5000 question.
« on: October 13, 2018, 11:53:06 pm »
AUK site says:

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Brevet 5000.

The AUK Brevet 5000 requires a randonnée of 1200 km or more, a Super Randonneur series, 1000 km, 24 hour team Arrow, plus other events to a total of 5000 km, all BR or BRM, all ridden within a 4 year period.

Does that mean 5000km on top of all the others, or 5000km in total?

200+300+400+600+1000+1200+360 = 4060km, meaning you'd only need to do 5 200's to qualify. Or is it another 25 200's worth for a total of 9060km ?

J

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2018, 12:40:45 am »

AUK site says:

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Brevet 5000.

The AUK Brevet 5000 requires a randonnée of 1200 km or more, a Super Randonneur series, 1000 km, 24 hour team Arrow, plus other events to a total of 5000 km, all BR or BRM, all ridden within a 4 year period.

Does that mean 5000km on top of all the others, or 5000km in total?

200+300+400+600+1000+1200+360 = 4060km, meaning you'd only need to do 5 200's to qualify. Or is it another 25 200's worth for a total of 9060km ?

And by extension, is the Brevet 10000 10000km on top of all the other requirements, or is it 10000 in total ?

J
total so 5x 200s on top of the others
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Smeth

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2018, 07:05:51 am »
Total 5k, not additional.

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2018, 08:15:38 am »
If all the events are BRM, you can also request an ACP Brevet 5000.

Zed43

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2018, 09:18:11 am »
I believe the ACP5000 award requires the 1200km to be PBP, for the Brevet5000 any 1200+ (ie LEL) qualifies.

Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2018, 09:47:12 am »
Ordering my brevet 5,000 this week 😄😄😄😄 if I’d been a bit more organised last season could have finished off brevet 10,000 - a goal for this season
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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2018, 10:32:42 am »
I believe the ACP5000 award requires the 1200km to be PBP, for the Brevet5000 any 1200+ (ie LEL) qualifies.

Plus, of course, the other events have to be BRM. 
I have one of those medals tucked away somewhere.

frankly frankie

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2018, 11:30:03 am »
Ordering my brevet 5,000 this week 😄😄😄😄 if I’d been a bit more organised last season could have finished off brevet 10,000 - a goal for this season

AUK don't list a Brevet 10,000 award.
https://www.aukweb.net/results/brevet/

To add to the confusion, the ACP 'Brevet 5000' award referenced upthread is actually their 'Randonneur 5000' award.  According to AUK anyway.  :facepalm:
https://www.aukweb.net/results/acpawards/
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2018, 11:33:16 am »
ACP call their award the Randonneur 5000 (previously Brevet de Randonneur 5000), which is equivalent to AUK's Brevet 5000.

ACP also have the Randonneur 10000, with no direct AUK equivalent.
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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2018, 11:37:37 am »
😄 Yes thanks, should have called it by it’s correct name.  Chris has sent me the correct claim form.
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quixoticgeek

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2018, 08:48:10 pm »

Can longer distances substitute shorter ones? I.e. can you do 2x 1200's, rather than the 1200 + 1000 ?

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2018, 08:55:56 pm »
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13.2.5 The Brevet Award Series....
(vii) Brevet 5000: within a four year period, events comprising a Super Randonneur, an event of
1000km or more, an additional event of 1200km or more, a 24 hour team Arrow and other BR,
BRM or RM events to bring the total up to at least 5,000 km.

Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2018, 10:16:47 pm »
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13.2.5 The Brevet Award Series....
(vii) Brevet 5000: within a four year period, events comprising a Super Randonneur, an event of
1000km or more, an additional event of 1200km or more, a 24 hour team Arrow and other BR,
BRM or RM events to bring the total up to at least 5,000 km.
That's a bit different to what it says at the top of the Brevet 5000 Hall of Fame...

"The AUK Brevet 5000 requires a randonnée of 1200 km or more, SR, 1000 km, 24 hour team Arrow, plus other events to a total of 5000 km, all BR or BRM, all ridden within a 4 year period.
This list shows Brevets 5000 (AUK). It does not show recipients of ACP's Brevet 5000 award."

Big difference is that the regulations say that a 1000km or more ride is required, rather than specifically a 1000km as in the Hall of Fame, so this needs clarifying. I've just claimed three Brevet 5000s to bring my total to five based on actually needing 1000km rides. I've found 1000s and Arrows most difficult to fit in over the years.

The ACP Randonneur 5000 rules are clearer. BRM 200, 300, 400, 600 and 1000km rides are required (Longer rides cannot be substituted for shorter ones), a PBP, Fleche Velocio or National Arrow recognised by ACP (eg Audax UK Easter Arrow to York) and other BRM or LRM rides to top up to 5000km or over in a four year period.

I finished off an ACP Randonneur 10000 in August by riding the Super Randonnee 600km around the Dolomites. I have just sent in the claim form, but without the brevet number for the Dolomites ride as these won't be released until after claims need to be in. Two full sets of BRM 200, 300, 400, 600, 1000km rides, PBP, Another BRM or LRM 1200+ ride, Fleche Velocio or National Arrow, Super Randonnee 600 and other BRM or LRM rides to top up to 10000km or over are required within a six year period.

When I filled the claim form in I realised that I qualified for three more ACP Randonneur 5000s as well as the one that I had already been awarded. Claim forms for these can be downloaded from the ACP website  http://www.audax-club-parisien.com/EN/383.html  It's a word document that you can type your details into and email to the AUK ACP representative.


quixoticgeek

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2018, 10:26:01 pm »
I've found 1000s and Arrows most difficult to fit in over the years.

For me the main issue with the ACP awards is they require a PBP. I'm unlikely to be able to ride PBP in 2019 if I am to do the races I want to do, which means that I'll have to wait until 2023. But I then have to really hope I am successful both at getting in, and completing it, as if not, any of the rides I've done in the run up to PBP 2023, would be lost and I'd have to do them all again to get the award. Looks like I'll have to try to do a 1200 or 1000 in 2022, to increase the chance of getting in for 2023.

I need to also work out what the options are for arrows other than the French and UK ones.

J
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2018, 11:12:55 pm »
There are ACP-recognised flèche/ arrows in the majority of BRM-organising countries and virtually all European countries. Most of them are around Easter but there are some exceptions.

AUK tends to accept longer brevets substituting for shorter, except where specifically noted. ACP doesn't allow substitutions, except where specifically noted.
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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2018, 07:22:31 am »
I've found 1000s and Arrows most difficult to fit in over the years.

For me the main issue with the ACP awards is they require a PBP. I'm unlikely to be able to ride PBP in 2019 if I am to do the races I want to do, which means that I'll have to wait until 2023. But I then have to really hope I am successful both at getting in, and completing it, as if not, any of the rides I've done in the run up to PBP 2023, would be lost and I'd have to do them all again to get the award. Looks like I'll have to try to do a 1200 or 1000 in 2022, to increase the chance of getting in for 2023.

I need to also work out what the options are for arrows other than the French and UK ones.

J

Dutch and Belgian randonneurs jointly offered arrows in the past three years. Not this year due to the need to cram all long events in a few months for PBP qualifying purposes. I expect that there'll be arrows again from 2020 to 2022.

frankly frankie

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2018, 09:56:13 am »
The ACP Randonneur 5000 rules are clearer. BRM 200, 300, 400, 600 and 1000km rides are required (Longer rides cannot be substituted for shorter ones), a PBP, Fleche Velocio or National Arrow recognised by ACP (eg Audax UK Easter Arrow to York) and other BRM or LRM rides to top up to 5000km or over in a four year period.

Interesting.  I'm pretty sure the original purpose of the 4-year period was to bridge 2x PBPs with all the other required rides (no 1000 required) falling in between.
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Brevet 5000 question.
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2018, 10:33:52 am »
That is news to me. I thought that the 1000 was always a specific requirement for ACP's award.
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