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'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« on: October 15, 2018, 04:21:36 pm »
So in actual fact, do cyclists seen 'transgressing' or doing something contrary to the HwyC/ the law, tend to give ALL cyclists a bad name?  This assertion is commonly made with regard to cyclists, even by cyclists themselves, but doesn't appear to 'apply' to motorists at all, who seem to side step the whole globally adhesive thing.  Thoughts?
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Kim

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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 04:25:29 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_attribution_error

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

Solution:  Make cycle use as normal and ordinary as car use (this probably requires infrastructure).  Then it'll be the speeding e-bike users or the scofflaw moped users or something that'll be the new outgroup.
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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 04:36:30 pm »
I suspect infrastructure would be so attractive ot e-bike users that "real" cyclists will be quickly outnumbered, allowing us to remain in our number one spot of brush-tarring.

JennyB

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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2018, 04:50:47 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_attribution_error

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

Solution:  Make cycle use as normal and ordinary as car use (this probably requires infrastructure).  Then it'll be the speeding e-bike users or the scofflaw moped users or something that'll be the new outgroup.

They already are the outgroup on cyclepaths in Holland
Jennifer - walker of hills



Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2018, 10:36:11 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_attribution_error

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity

Solution:  Make cycle use as normal and ordinary as car use (this probably requires infrastructure).  Then it'll be the speeding e-bike users or the scofflaw moped users or something that'll be the new outgroup.

Couldn't find much in the way of cycling specific articles.  I guess that 'normality' is but a dream in the UK, and the with the strongly reinforcing negative effect of driver impatience = no hope?    There must be some way to use the fact that cyclists make better drivers.    ;)
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Gattopardo

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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2018, 12:06:13 pm »
Well getting on a bike, makes you a non person.  From a motorists point of view.

Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2018, 04:09:45 pm »
Well getting on a bike, makes you a non person.  From a motorists point of view.

Not when I'm driving...   ;)
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thing1

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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2018, 04:38:47 pm »
I guess that 'normality' is but a dream in the UK, and the with the strongly reinforcing negative effect of driver impatience = no hope?    There must be some way to use the fact that cyclists make better drivers.    ;)

It's probably hard to spot when you're up against it day in, day out, but I honestly thin it is improving. We spent 6 years living in USA and on moving back to UK this year we were struck by how much more normalized cycling had become here while we were away.



Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2018, 08:42:44 pm »
I guess that 'normality' is but a dream in the UK, and the with the strongly reinforcing negative effect of driver impatience = no hope?    There must be some way to use the fact that cyclists make better drivers.    ;)

It's probably hard to spot when you're up against it day in, day out, but I honestly thin it is improving. We spent 6 years living in USA and on moving back to UK this year we were struck by how much more normalized cycling had become here while we were away.

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Bloody hell, you were away for six years !?!!?!!???. Good grief that went quickly.
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ETA  Long enough to brain wash you with how to spell 'normalised'.
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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2018, 09:58:28 pm »
Well getting on a bike, makes you a non person.  From a motorists point of view.

Not when I'm driving...   ;)

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Re: 'giving all cyclists a bad name...'
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2018, 09:34:27 pm »
I agree it's getting better.  15 years ago getting on a bike in Brum was a combat sport, now wvm lets me out 50% of the time.