Author Topic: New audax.uk site  (Read 10422 times)

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #175 on: December 03, 2018, 08:06:02 am »
Anyone else not able to log into the old site? Doesn't recognise my creds but I definitely haven't changed them. Apologies if posted in wrong thread but I thought it may have something to do with the new site.

As of now, passwords on the old site are case-sensitive.  If you're not sure what password you set up, you can still get that using the forgotten password facility under 'Members', although that too will soon change to a 'regenerate new password' facility.

Failing that you may have found an obscure corner of the old site where recent login upgrades haven't reached, in which case you'll need to explain precisely what is the problem you're encountering.

I used the forgotten password link to retrieve my old password. It has had two characters trimmed from the end. I don't remember doing that so is this a 'feature' that's been added as part of the migration to the new site?
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #176 on: December 03, 2018, 09:12:27 am »
 Not to my knowledge.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #177 on: December 03, 2018, 04:11:49 pm »
I notice the new site doesn't obfuscate organiser emails, they're available cleartext in the page source. Not sure how effective the old site's javascript code was at halting spambot email harvesters, but it's a bit disappointing that we don't even have that now.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #178 on: December 03, 2018, 04:43:21 pm »
I notice the new site doesn't obfuscate organiser emails, they're available cleartext in the page source. Not sure how effective the old site's javascript code was at halting spambot email harvesters, but it's a bit disappointing that we don't even have that now.

As far as I'm aware email security is built into reputable CMS frameworks.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #179 on: December 04, 2018, 08:44:55 am »
Obfuscated email addresses are up there with beards, pipes, and cardigans with elbow patches when it comes to presenting a fuddy daddy image (as is, so we're told, the very concept of 'email').

Having said that, a 'contact' button on the event listings putting up a contact form with a shopping list of reasons for the contact would be useful in helping orgs with larger events and kill off any reasons for orgs not to provide an email address, which has been a stumbling block for some time.

Also, the contact us link really should be at the top of the page somewhere, not buried in the footer.  Took me ages to spot it browsing by phone.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #180 on: December 04, 2018, 10:10:50 am »
I think the question is: Should the organiser's name, email and postal address be exposed at all? 

That's nothing at all to do with the website itself, more to do with privacy policies and procedures for organising rides.

 A "contact organiser" form would be a sticking plaster avoiding the need to expose the organiser's email address.  An additional problem is that in order to enable postal entry the org's postal address has to be exposed. 

Underlying all this is how AUK does business, the priority placed on being able to do business by post and the privacy agreement between AUK and the organisers.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #181 on: December 04, 2018, 10:14:45 am »
I'd have thought that was something organisers agreed to. They can set up a separate audax email and they don't have to accept postal entries if they don't want to, or they could use a PO box if concerned.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #182 on: December 04, 2018, 10:19:03 am »
I'd have thought that was something organisers agreed to. They can set up a separate audax email and they don't have to accept postal entries if they don't want to, or they could use a PO box if concerned.
Yup, I fully agree.  My point was that this isn't fundamentally a website issue.  More a way-AUK-does-business issue (if it is an issue at all).

That said, there are tools available for the Umbraco CMS, which I think is what is in use, to prevent email harvesting.  They may work in a similar way to the javascript on the aukweb site by ensuring that the full email address isn't encoded in the page source and is only put together when it is rendered by the browser.  Search for Safe Mail Link Umbraco

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #183 on: December 05, 2018, 07:18:29 am »
If you make a search for, say, 'awards', you get a response that looks like:



Pop Quiz: What do you click on?

Answer: The page name, shown in bold black text (which is actually a link), not the URL/link shown in blue, which isnt.

Intuitive, it isnt.

When activated (hover over or selected) the heading turns to the active link colour (dark blue) but its very subtle/easy to miss.

Trying this first by phone I was left jabbing the link and wondering why nothing was happening...

Google handles this on a PC by presenting the page name in a high contrast link colour which is underlined on mouse hover-over, and on a phone the heading and link are effectively a block giving a big target for a pudgy finger. This is UX101.

We're going to pay £,600 a day to fix things like this?

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #184 on: December 05, 2018, 10:21:56 am »
Conspiracy theory: Would an experienced contractor ensure that things like this were set so they had to be fixed?
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #185 on: December 05, 2018, 11:00:04 am »
Yes and no. I don't think they've *actively* done a bad job, but they're clearly doing the bare minimum they can get away with and just not caring.

The problem is there's no pressure for them to do a good job, because AUK have made clear they'll be awarded phases 2...N regardless of the quality of what they deliver, at whatever price they ask. I've certainly witnessed project managers become *much* more interested in what's being delivered when lucrative future work is dependent on it.

(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #186 on: December 05, 2018, 12:32:23 pm »
(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

The question of who owns the code came up at he reunion presentation, and was expertly ignored.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #187 on: December 05, 2018, 12:37:03 pm »
(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

The question of who owns the code came up at he reunion presentation, and was expertly ignored.

How would one go about finding out an official answer to this question?

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #188 on: December 05, 2018, 01:43:36 pm »
Searching cyclinguk for "awards" gives... https://www.cyclinguk.org/search/site/awards

On audax.uk, strange to see the url listed at all really, normally the url appears when one hovers over the search result heading...
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #189 on: December 05, 2018, 02:03:28 pm »
How would one go about finding out an official answer to this question?

You can have a dig through the reports here, although there's a lot of documents to go through and a lot of them are pretty vague on important details:
http://www.aukweb.net/official/minutes/

You could also try emailing it@audax.uk .

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #190 on: December 14, 2018, 08:34:56 am »
I guess this put AUK woes in perspective

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46561779

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #191 on: December 14, 2018, 09:51:20 am »
The out source company are not called "Crapita" for no reason.
I guess this put AUK woes in perspective

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46561779

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #192 on: December 19, 2018, 12:07:50 am »
(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

The question of who owns the code came up at he reunion presentation, and was expertly ignored.

How would one go about finding out an official answer to this question?

Fairly sure that when he was asked at the Reunion, Richard Jennings said that we own the code.

In any case, unless I've misunderstood or misheard several presentations to the board, we own the code.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #193 on: December 19, 2018, 11:44:20 pm »
Ownership takes many forms. For example, how many AUKs have access to the code, or the tools necessary to access / navigate through the code, or would understand what they were looking at if they could?

Regardless, this should not be an issue of debate; what does it say in the contract?

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #194 on: December 20, 2018, 07:07:24 am »
The contract says AUK owns the code but it is not written in straightforward language.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #195 on: December 20, 2018, 09:57:16 am »
The contract says AUK owns the code but it is not written in straightforward language.

Code seldom is ;)

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #196 on: December 20, 2018, 10:16:54 am »
Ownership takes many forms. For example, how many AUKs have access to the code, or the tools necessary to access / navigate through the code, or would understand what they were looking at if they could?

Regardless, this should not be an issue of debate; what does it say in the contract?

If I remember the stack right its a CMS on top of a .net based backend
Which on the face of it sounds like it should be fairly easy to get people who can work on it.

But then according to the press release at work we picked up a code set that was written for us on the basis that we owned the code and tidied it up for release... the reality is rather different.
Likewise some of the diabolical architectural messes my predecessors wrote are only fit for rewriting from scratch if we want to do anything with them.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #197 on: December 20, 2018, 06:01:43 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2018, 06:11:05 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.

My assumption would be it's C#, if it's .NET.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #199 on: December 20, 2018, 07:35:10 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.

My assumption would be it's C#, if it's .NET.

Aye so would I, though "C# Like" could mean Java complied to the .Net CLR...
I've worked with a couple of "VB.Net Like" languages in the past, fairly easy to pick up if you're actually a capable procedural/OO developer in the first place. 

Watching people who've never done set based programming before trying to understand a RDBMS is somewhere between amusing and cringeworthy, but then so is the term "NoSQL" in relation to non-relational data stores...  .

Have started looking at the job market again as it's been all but confirmed I've been wasting my time the last 3 years listening to the promises of more relevant modern development techniques; I see considerably less adverts for LAMP stack development than I used to with most stuff being this months flavour of front end on top of Java or .Net backends or microservices, Ruby on Rails seems to be another rarity now.