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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #100 on: November 21, 2018, 09:31:38 pm »
Being a relative newbie to audax and AUK (4yrs) and below the average age I'll say this:
The old site functioned and was clear and concise.
It wasn't a turn off to me to enjoy riding my bike.
Not denying it could do with an overhaul and as has been stated previously the actual innards are straining.
The new site looks like an improvement; but I'm what is now considered middle aged and think it looks like a mediocre makeup job.
If the aim is to attract new riders/members then AUK are mainly going to be trying to attract sportive riders (as a recent tweet implied) and the younger demographic, they are used to better sites, this is going to need a refresh pretty soon.

My honest opinions:

Calendar
  • Like the event name central in bold - but centrally justify it? and...
  • ...come on any thoughts other than a list view? The same functional plain old spreadsheet. Perhaps a double line between weeks and merge the common date cells at least.
  • Where is the calendar subscription so we can all see a list of events in our diaries; device, email client etc to compare with what we have on in real life, obv with a link to enter...
  • ...that then transfers it to your personal calendar that you can also subscribe to.
  • Optimised for phone is diabolical, I get 2 events; each in its own little box with its own date, even though the next event is on the same date. The old site by zooming in I can see and read all the relevant data for 23 events.
  • Too much info when all is contained within the actual event page? - in the day and age of responsive sites and roll overs wouldn't this be better?
  • I hope Mr PW is going to overhaul the calendar map too as if more than one event starts at the same point you never see them...

Event Pages
  • Look like a poor rehash - too muddled.
  • ...page looks better at 70%
  • Why does it load the full description then truncate it mid load with 'view more'. On PC @ 1980x1080 & mobile so when would it not truncate it? 2 monitors stacked?
  • Event & Organiser details look terrible as multiple columns of title and detail when on a landscape monitor display. On a device Event is org'd into 2 columns Title: Information; Organiser 1 column with Title above information.
  • What's with a full width Start venue map, it is like that is one of the features of the event.
  • Minor - the new event codes been redefined then? F was free food en route, now food may be available en route. R no longer displayed. Again why all the text why not roll overs, or double taps for touch screens?
   
Being an organiser I hope the planner is vastly improved along with some customisation of org's relevant events' pages; as personally I'd change the whole order of mine.

All this just from looking at the calendar and an event. I'm not going any deeper...

As a benchmark load a new event page in one tab and corresponding old in another (ignore the outdated graphics etc), flick between the 2 and tell me which gets the event over better. Even on a mobile phone the old site once zoomed in to fit the main column to the screen reads better IMHO.

Right, back to baking for this weekends event, that's what really counts.....

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2018, 10:06:03 pm »
Will, I think that's great feedback  :thumbsup:
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #102 on: November 21, 2018, 11:03:32 pm »
Bit annoying that there's no accreditation on any of the photos mind. I assume I'll be getting a cheque instead?

What will you spend your 340k on?
Event entries of course!

You mean membership renewal... surely?
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2018, 11:27:30 pm »
10k may seem minuscule, but it has to be seen in its proper context.

That is not the context of comparing with other IT projects but the context of the reserves and income of the organisation procuring the work for 10k.

AUK has better financial reserves and income than Scottish Health Boards by a long way!!!

That comes back to the question of why was this model of development chosen, and it is one that is now far too late to go back to.

When it comes to cost comparisons, there is relevance, companies don't usually have significantly different charging models depending on the sort of company they are selling to; there may be "adjustments" (and some like to mark up for government corporations on the basis that they print money... which is a pain in the arse as there's a couple of tools we wanted where this happens) due to bargaining skills or being charity or not for profit though, but ultimately the company employed wants to a) pay their staff b) make money for the directors and c) make money for investors.

Designing and Implementing the AUK requirements shouldn't take significantly different amounts of time between different companies so the costing should have limited variance.
Unless of course you employ a company that likes to make life difficult for themselves and so you pay for their stupidity, or have a significantly different model of working.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2018, 12:22:42 am »
That comes back to the question of why was this model of development chosen, and it is one that is now far too late to go back to.

While that's true for phase 1 and possibly phase 2, the option of saying "bloody hell, we can't afford any more of this" is always on the table.

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Designing and Implementing the AUK requirements shouldn't take significantly different amounts of time between different companies so the costing should have limited variance.

Even if you accept that, but AUK is different from other companies in that it has options other than building a brand new system from scratch at commercial rates, amongst them (a) doing this with volunteers like literally everything else it does, or (b) not doing this at all and spending a much smaller amount of money / volunteer time patching up the fully functional existing system.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2018, 07:06:00 am »
Tried everything and can’t log on. Help!
This was raised somewhere in the thread, IIRC the answer is you have to go back to the old site, alter your password and used your new password to access the new site. That's assuming you're still using your original AUK-issued password.


Thanks. Tried that and it didn’t work. I assume it’s still your membership number only. No letters.

The problem comes if you did change your password, but then continued to use your original system generated password. The new site only accepts the one you changed it to. And yes - no letters, just numbers please.

If you still have a problem pm me or better still write to membership@audax.uk with your real name and number and I am sure we can sort it out.

Thank you. I’ve tried all combos to no avail. I’ll pop an email across. Thanks all. Hope to see you soon Cudzo.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #106 on: November 22, 2018, 09:21:18 am »
That comes back to the question of why was this model of development chosen, and it is one that is now far too late to go back to.
While that's true for phase 1 and possibly phase 2, the option of saying "bloody hell, we can't afford any more of this" is always on the table.
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Designing and Implementing the AUK requirements shouldn't take significantly different amounts of time between different companies so the costing should have limited variance.

Even if you accept that, but AUK is different from other companies in that it has options other than building a brand new system from scratch at commercial rates, amongst them (a) doing this with volunteers like literally everything else it does, or (b) not doing this at all and spending a much smaller amount of money / volunteer time patching up the fully functional existing system.

      ^^^^ this !! ^^^^
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #107 on: November 22, 2018, 09:26:47 am »
Thank you. I’ve tried all combos to no avail. I’ll pop an email across. Thanks all. Hope to see you soon Cudzo.

The issue could be something to do with mixed case?? Although I can't actually visualise what it would be.  The old site stores mixed-case passwords but the login comparison is all done in lowercase for some reason.  The new site is unlikely to work the same way!
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #108 on: November 22, 2018, 10:05:31 am »
Even if you accept that, but AUK is different from other companies in that it has options other than building a brand new system from scratch at commercial rates, amongst them (a) doing this with volunteers like literally everything else it does, or (b) not doing this at all and spending a much smaller amount of money / volunteer time patching up the fully functional existing system.

Aye true, I do find it slightly surprising that one of the aims I read was to get away from volunteers writing and maintaining the system.
It's not like there's s shortage of IT bods into cycling that could have done the job as a volunteer collective that could have take option a
There is a point where option b isn't suitable either due to obsolescence or bad code... or both.

Although there's not a hope in hell I'm working on a LAMP stack unless it's to avoid starvation...
Finding enough willing volunteer developers that can agree on a sensible technology to use is another problem.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #109 on: November 22, 2018, 10:43:28 am »
So to be clear, how long do you think this has taken? Do you really think it is value for money?

£150K seems like an exorbitant amount to me.
You've had since August to add your comments about the VFM of the work done: http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=1564.225 (or on a thread near this one)

Just posting that "It's a bit crap and expensive" was never very helpful, even less so 3 months down the line.

Of course if you contributed to the work in getting this project off the ground, you have a little more right to make unhelpful complaints (but not much more ... )

I didn't realise that voicing an opinion on the internet required me to have a right to complain. If I needed one I think being a paid up member is plenty enough reason, but thanks for pointing out my error.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2018, 12:24:56 pm »
I quite like it. A few things need changing (the headless rider on widescreens on the home page for example). Adding HTTPS is an absolute must and I'm shocked it wasn't done sooner. Event pages are cluttered. Using tables to display the calendar (which isn't very responsive and gets truncated on narrow screens) is a bit old school. The View Event column is totally superfluous as well.

My biggest bugbear is opening new tabs/windows when clicking on events from the calendar (and possibly elsewhere, I've not tested thoroughly). Taking control away from the user to use their back button and to open new tabs if they wish using shortcuts is  very annoying and not very accessible. There should never be a target="_blank" attribute on any anchor within the same website/domain.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #111 on: November 22, 2018, 01:01:32 pm »
Thank you. I’ve tried all combos to no avail. I’ll pop an email across. Thanks all. Hope to see you soon Cudzo.

The issue could be something to do with mixed case?? Although I can't actually visualise what it would be.  The old site stores mixed-case passwords but the login comparison is all done in lowercase for some reason.  The new site is unlikely to work the same way!

Thank you. It wasn’t this, but good thinking. The cogs that grind are on the case behind the scenes for now. Thanks again.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #112 on: November 22, 2018, 01:19:12 pm »
Thank you. I’ve tried all combos to no avail. I’ll pop an email across. Thanks all. Hope to see you soon Cudzo.

The issue could be something to do with mixed case?? Although I can't actually visualise what it would be.  The old site stores mixed-case passwords but the login comparison is all done in lowercase for some reason.  The new site is unlikely to work the same way!

Storing plaintext passwords in 2018?
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #113 on: November 22, 2018, 01:24:27 pm »
Aye true, I do find it slightly surprising that one of the aims I read was to get away from volunteers writing and maintaining the system.

I think the aim was more to get away from it being just a few (and one in particular) volunteers who the only ones able to maintain/extend/fix the system.

Getting a professional company is certainly one solution to this, but fraught with its own problems and downsides.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #114 on: November 22, 2018, 03:35:21 pm »
So to be clear, how long do you think this has taken? Do you really think it is value for money?

£150K seems like an exorbitant amount to me.
You've had since August to add your comments about the VFM of the work done: http://forum.audax.uk/index.php?topic=1564.225 (or on a thread near this one)

Just posting that "It's a bit crap and expensive" was never very helpful, even less so 3 months down the line.

Of course if you contributed to the work in getting this project off the ground, you have a little more right to make unhelpful complaints (but not much more ... )

I didn't realise that voicing an opinion on the internet required me to have a right to complain. If I needed one I think being a paid up member is plenty enough reason, but thanks for pointing out my error.
the volunteers are all (or at least mostly) paid-up members too.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #115 on: November 22, 2018, 03:46:24 pm »
I think the aim was more to get away from it being just a few (and one in particular) volunteers who the only ones able to maintain/extend/fix the system.

I'm not sure how having the only way to do anything being to shovel tens of thousands of pounds AUK doesn't have to a private company is an improvement on that, TBH.

And in any case there's no clear roadmap or timeline for removing dependence on AUKweb for essential daily operations, so doing anything requires doing both for the foreseeable future.

Hooray!

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #116 on: November 22, 2018, 03:49:19 pm »
And in any case there's no clear roadmap or timeline for removing dependence on AUKweb for essential daily operations, so doing anything requires doing both for the foreseeable future.

Exactly, after which phase will they be in a position to turn aukweb off?
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #117 on: November 22, 2018, 06:46:28 pm »
I’m in and having a gander. Thanks for the help.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #118 on: November 22, 2018, 08:21:28 pm »
The spelling mistake is still on the front page and when are we going to get https?

I am been a little harsh here but early impressions stick and these two things need to get sorted and quickly. The spelling mistake not been fixed just should be fixed and it should only take 1 minute.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #119 on: November 22, 2018, 08:31:54 pm »

Could people stop trying to login until we have https? and can we beat whoever it is at the company doing this, with a stick, to make them roll out https asap. Not having it on a site like this is beyond gross incompetence.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #120 on: November 22, 2018, 09:19:50 pm »

Could people stop trying to login until we have https? and can we beat whoever it is at the company doing this, with a stick, to make them roll out https asap. Not having it on a site like this is beyond gross incompetence.

J

I'm using the old site as a preference until I'm forced to use the new one. See how clearly you can see the events coming up? I'm sort of cutting out the middle man, in the sense that anything meaningful is going to divert me back to Aukweb anyway.

The new one isn't quite there, so I've no reason to migrate. Just yet.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #121 on: November 23, 2018, 08:48:19 am »
Thank you. I’ve tried all combos to no avail. I’ll pop an email across. Thanks all. Hope to see you soon Cudzo.

The issue could be something to do with mixed case?? Although I can't actually visualise what it would be.  The old site stores mixed-case passwords but the login comparison is all done in lowercase for some reason.  The new site is unlikely to work the same way!

Storing plaintext passwords in 2018?

Sure sounds like it - if indeed this statement above is true.

In regards to the new website... quite clearly there has been no big announcement yet, someone leaked the new website address and we are being used as guinea pigs to test the site and iron out any issues before an official release - and nothing wrong with that given the subject matter.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #122 on: November 23, 2018, 09:23:50 am »
Could people stop trying to login until we have https? and can we beat whoever it is at the company doing this, with a stick, to make them roll out https asap. Not having it on a site like this is beyond gross incompetence.

Just which part of your personal data do you think is at risk?

I'm using the old site as a preference until I'm forced to use the new one. See how clearly you can see the events coming up? I'm sort of cutting out the middle man, in the sense that anything meaningful is going to divert me back to Aukweb anyway.
The new one isn't quite there, so I've no reason to migrate. Just yet.

1. If linking to the old site we might at least (in this context) use the secure version https://www.aukweb.net
2. I don't expect that link to work for much longer.  The new site is clearly still in alpha but as soon as it gets to advanced beta stage the old front-end will be progressively mothballed and that address will probably just forward to the new site, for a while.  That could just be days away, or it could be weeks, I simply have no idea.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #123 on: November 23, 2018, 09:32:34 am »

Could people stop trying to login until we have https? and can we beat whoever it is at the company doing this, with a stick, to make them roll out https asap. Not having it on a site like this is beyond gross incompetence.

J

LOL - I was just about to post that not being https was no different to the original site, then I stuck https in front of the original site and it worked!... guess who's bookmark hasn't had that extra S for sometime!  :facepalm:
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #124 on: November 23, 2018, 09:34:24 am »
Could people stop trying to login until we have https? and can we beat whoever it is at the company doing this, with a stick, to make them roll out https asap. Not having it on a site like this is beyond gross incompetence.

Just which part of your personal data do you think is at risk?

If usernames and passwords are trivially available to someone snooping then that someone could login to the site using those details to view the other personal information which is stored within (address, phone numbers, etc).

Sounds like the developers are considering GDPR compliance as another "TODO" item rather than a "no ship" stop item.
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