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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #175 on: December 05, 2018, 12:32:23 pm »
(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

The question of who owns the code came up at he reunion presentation, and was expertly ignored.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #176 on: December 05, 2018, 12:37:03 pm »
(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

The question of who owns the code came up at he reunion presentation, and was expertly ignored.

How would one go about finding out an official answer to this question?

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #177 on: December 05, 2018, 01:43:36 pm »
Searching cyclinguk for "awards" gives... https://www.cyclinguk.org/search/site/awards

On audax.uk, strange to see the url listed at all really, normally the url appears when one hovers over the search result heading...
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #178 on: December 05, 2018, 02:03:28 pm »
How would one go about finding out an official answer to this question?

You can have a dig through the reports here, although there's a lot of documents to go through and a lot of them are pretty vague on important details:
http://www.aukweb.net/official/minutes/

You could also try emailing it@audax.uk .

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #179 on: December 14, 2018, 08:34:56 am »
I guess this put AUK woes in perspective

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46561779

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #180 on: December 14, 2018, 09:51:20 am »
The out source company are not called "Crapita" for no reason.
I guess this put AUK woes in perspective

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46561779

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #181 on: December 19, 2018, 12:07:50 am »
(what is AUK's ability to walk away? Do they own the source code?)

The question of who owns the code came up at he reunion presentation, and was expertly ignored.

How would one go about finding out an official answer to this question?

Fairly sure that when he was asked at the Reunion, Richard Jennings said that we own the code.

In any case, unless I've misunderstood or misheard several presentations to the board, we own the code.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #182 on: December 19, 2018, 11:44:20 pm »
Ownership takes many forms. For example, how many AUKs have access to the code, or the tools necessary to access / navigate through the code, or would understand what they were looking at if they could?

Regardless, this should not be an issue of debate; what does it say in the contract?

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #183 on: December 20, 2018, 07:07:24 am »
The contract says AUK owns the code but it is not written in straightforward language.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #184 on: December 20, 2018, 09:57:16 am »
The contract says AUK owns the code but it is not written in straightforward language.

Code seldom is ;)

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #185 on: December 20, 2018, 10:16:54 am »
Ownership takes many forms. For example, how many AUKs have access to the code, or the tools necessary to access / navigate through the code, or would understand what they were looking at if they could?

Regardless, this should not be an issue of debate; what does it say in the contract?

If I remember the stack right its a CMS on top of a .net based backend
Which on the face of it sounds like it should be fairly easy to get people who can work on it.

But then according to the press release at work we picked up a code set that was written for us on the basis that we owned the code and tidied it up for release... the reality is rather different.
Likewise some of the diabolical architectural messes my predecessors wrote are only fit for rewriting from scratch if we want to do anything with them.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #186 on: December 20, 2018, 06:01:43 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.
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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #187 on: December 20, 2018, 06:11:05 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.

My assumption would be it's C#, if it's .NET.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #188 on: December 20, 2018, 07:35:10 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.

My assumption would be it's C#, if it's .NET.

Aye so would I, though "C# Like" could mean Java complied to the .Net CLR...
I've worked with a couple of "VB.Net Like" languages in the past, fairly easy to pick up if you're actually a capable procedural/OO developer in the first place. 

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #189 on: November 04, 2019, 08:01:10 am »
Given that we are still without 2019-2020 season results on aukweb and there hasn’t been any notice that I have seen to explain this (I presume it’s PBP related, but that’s just a guess), I thought I’d check where the IT project is. From the last board meeting, it appears phase 2 would have started about mid-September, and is due to complete within 10 weeks, so about the end of November. The scope appears to be confined to backend improvements for organisers.

Are data improvements included within the scope of phase 3? It feels most unusual to have such a long period each year when members cannot view their results.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #190 on: November 04, 2019, 08:16:17 am »
Given that we are still without 2019-2020 season results on aukweb and there hasn’t been any notice that I have seen to explain this (I presume it’s PBP related, but that’s just a guess), I thought I’d check where the IT project is. From the last board meeting, it appears phase 2 would have started about mid-September, and is due to complete within 10 weeks, so about the end of November. The scope appears to be confined to backend improvements for organisers.

Are data improvements included within the scope of phase 3? It feels most unusual to have such a long period each year when members cannot view their results.

I am very scared of improvements for organisers... am I the only one?  ::-)

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #191 on: November 04, 2019, 08:55:42 am »
Unless it's changed, Stage 2 was meant to be back end admin tools for managing members.

None of the work so far has touched the events or results databases - apart from doing some fairly trivial read-only stuff. I've not even seen it discussed and think it'll be an order of magnitude more complex and therefore expensive than the already barely affordable first two stages.

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It feels most unusual to have such a long period each year when members cannot view their results.

Yeah, but is it worth a million quid to rebuild it all from scratch to solve that problem?

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #192 on: November 04, 2019, 09:43:45 am »
It feels most unusual to have such a long period each year when members cannot view their results.

Looking at the results for last season, as published online, several events are still marked 'provisional'.  Results for the new season are accumulating in the background, but they won't be published until all those provisionals are cleared up.

Its nothing to do with PHP - the system is simply set up (and I use the word 'simple' in its most literal sense) to deal with one season at a time.  Back in the day, AUK used to have a closed season with no events in the November-January period.
It's not dark yet but it's getting there.

Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #193 on: November 04, 2019, 09:57:32 am »
Back in the day, AUK used to have a closed season with no events in the November-January period.

I'm told that some auks used to ride their bikes 'just for fun' during that period.  Crazy, really.

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #194 on: November 04, 2019, 11:03:54 am »
I am very scared of improvements for organisers... am I the only one?  ::-)

Whether they admit it or not, everyone is scared of change. See also "Good old days".
Then again occasionally BAs to seriously ballz up, other times it's just the Devs thinking they know better, also just realized I had a rant about work just over 1 months ago, I PBPed that out of me until it hit home afterwards.

Back in the day, AUK used to have a closed season with no events in the November-January period.

I'm told that some auks used to ride their bikes 'just for fun' during that period.  Crazy, really.

I've heard of one old hand who claims not to have missed a day on the bike in something like 170 years

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #195 on: November 04, 2019, 02:51:34 pm »

I am very scared of improvements for organisers... am I the only one?  ::-)

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Re: New audax.uk site
« Reply #196 on: November 04, 2019, 03:08:40 pm »
I've lost track of the details but the language used is (I quote) "similar to C#".  That sounds pretty rarified to me, compared with good ol' PHP (as used for the old site and this forum).  So I'm not convinced ownership will help us all that much.

My assumption would be it's C#, if it's .NET.

ISTR it's Umbraco

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbraco
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Umbraco is primarily written in C#, stores data in a relational database (commonly Microsoft SQL Server) and works on Microsoft IIS. Umbraco's front-end is built upon Microsoft's .NET Framework, using ASP.NET

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