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Invicta Phoenix 400
« on: December 06, 2018, 09:41:19 pm »
After the enjoyable Oasts & Coasts last year this looks tempting:

A question for more experienced AUKs: on a 400 starting in the morning, would you generally ride through the night, rather than stopping for a formal sleep at say 250km (which would be an early bedtime)?
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Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2018, 09:43:15 pm »
400 ?? Do it in one go ?


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Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 10:09:57 pm »
Almost everybody does 400s without sleeping.
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Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 07:51:25 am »
I think a sleep stop at 250 km is too early, most people wouldn't have enough time in their hands at that point to get more than an hour or two sleep and make it to the next control in time. If you use the AUK site tool, you can work out the openning and closing times of the controls and work out whether (and where) it makes sense to have a control with sleeping facilities

Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 08:56:11 am »
On that event I would ride through and get home for breakfast.   It's quite close to a route that I used to organise 10+ yrs ago and there's enough scenery to keep you interested.


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Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018, 02:44:06 pm »
Ideally on a 400 I would ride through without a sleep stop but it largely depends on fitness level and ride difficulty. First time I did the Severn Across/LWL, I was fit enough to complete it inside 21 hours so went through without a sleep stop, but the second time I was slower and much less fit and needed a proper rest break at Malmesbury before I could carry on (but only an hour or so).

The problem with sleep stops on a 400 is that unless you're very fast, you won't have time for a proper sleep. And if you're very fast, you won't need one.

I'm keen to do the Invicta Phoenix 400 and hope to be fit enough to ride it without a sleep stop.

The old Invicta 400 (presumably the same one rob is referring to) had a noon start, which never really suited me and both times I did it, I had to stop for a (brief) sleep stop at Sittingbourne.

Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018, 02:49:28 pm »
It's good to see a Kent (or more generally south east) based 400.  It would be good if one could be established as an annual fixture (and perchance a National ride). 

I did the old Invikta 400s when they ran out of Chiddingstone.  The main things I remember are eating a ropy Chinese take away in Sittingbourne, getting lost at the end to the extent that I almost came in out of time, and a certain long-standing member mumping because his trike didn't fit through a motorway service station entrance (he had to ride up a dirt track from memory, as the A road had been reclassified into a motorway, and it got increasingly narrow at the top - his own fault for riding a childs bike  ;) ).  And, I think, belting along the A2 in the middle of the night.  If this gives the impression of Type 2 fun, it was.

Anyway, this one is on my list of possibles for 2019.  Time has moved on so I suspect it will be a much polished route from Tom.  I'm hoping to do it if I'm in the area, can wangle a weekend pass and have a decent build up to it over the spring.

Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 03:41:12 pm »
The old Invicta 400 used to go out to Sussex and then along the South Coast to Chichester, up to Winchester and then back through Surrey.   I then changed it to figure-of-eight as it meant less driving and could be run with less helpers, returning to the big loop when it was turned into the National 400 for a year.

This route looks closer to the old big loop but I suspect Tom has tweaked it here and there.   I'm not sure I'll be there as, if all goes to plan, I'll be recovering from something a bit longer.


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Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #8 on: Today at 03:10:29 pm »
Almost everybody does 400s without sleeping.

I've seen a LOT of dozing bodies in halls at recent 400s I've ridden. I would say something more like:

The majority do 400s without sleeping.

And perhaps:
Almost everybody does 400s where there is no sleep-stop without sleeping.

In fact, my last 400 had no sleep-stop arranged, and almost everyone slept!

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Re: Invicta Phoenix 400
« Reply #9 on: Today at 03:44:28 pm »
Taking A&S as an example, most bus shelters between Newmarket and Saffron Walden are occupied in the hours just before dawn, the glass fronted with bench at Balsham being most sought after. Slower riders catch an hour in the doorways of Saffron Walden Town Hall, typical completion in 24 hours.