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BrianI

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"Summer" touring tyres.
« on: January 14, 2019, 10:06:18 am »
Currently my "Trigger's Broom" of a touring bike (only thing original on my '08 Dawes Horizon is the frame and fork) is shod with a pair of Marathon Greenguard. Pretty basic tyres, but not particularly comfortable either, probably due to the 3mm rubber "greenguard" layer beneath the tread.

Main use of the bike this year will be the massive commute of 1.3 miles each way to work and back, and some general day rides, possible some overnight B&B tours.

Seeing as this bike hasn't had much spent on it recently, I thought it deserves a treat.

So what's recommended in the way of reasonably light weight "touring" tyres, which aren't too heavy duty, and still reasonably "plush", but not to fragile either ~ 700x32 to 700x38 or thereabouts. 

I had tried Panaracer Paselas in the past. Nice tyres, but these failed with perished sidewalls.

What I've considered so far:
Marathon Supreme,
Vittoria Voyager Hyper (although I've read these may be a bit slippy in the wet?)
Panaracer RibMo
Continental Contact Speed.

So any suggestions?

Thanks!




LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 10:11:52 am »
HK loves her 700x38C Schwalbe Almotions. Expensive but performing well.
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BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 10:23:26 am »
HK loves her 700x38C Schwalbe Almotions. Expensive but performing well.

Hmm, Schwalbe class them as 40-622, which may be too bike clearance wise for under the mudguards.  A bit to "tready" as well... 

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 10:29:25 am »
Almotions have lower rolling resistance than Hypers, despite the tread. HK's have done over 7000km to date with a couple of embedded glass shards found yesterday but nothing getting through the carcass. Lack of clearance is a major issue, of course. The moulded size on the sidewall is 38C, the printed size is 40C. https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/schwalbe-marathon-almotion-2016
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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 10:44:54 am »
I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.
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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 11:08:46 am »
For touring comfort the Paselas take some beating they just are a bit magic carpet. They are however, prone to deflation, particularly sidewalls.
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BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 01:23:15 pm »
Almotions have lower rolling resistance than Hypers, despite the tread. HK's have done over 7000km to date with a couple of embedded glass shards found yesterday but nothing getting through the carcass. Lack of clearance is a major issue, of course. The moulded size on the sidewall is 38C, the printed size is 40C. https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/schwalbe-marathon-almotion-2016

Hmm, looking at that review, it seems the Marathon Almotion uses the same 3mm "greenguard" layer as in my current Marathons.  So probably not much of an "upgrade" to go for these apart from possibly slightly less weight and a bit more width... 

BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2019, 01:32:30 pm »
I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.

Hmm. Looks like Spa Cycles has older style Marathon Supreme, rigid, for £20 an end in 700x32mm size...  Tempting...

bludger

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 02:45:57 pm »
I've had schwalbe Spicer tyres on mine. Basically cheaper and look lighter marathons (£15 each), might be perfect for you.
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BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2019, 03:54:23 pm »
I've had schwalbe Spicer tyres on mine. Basically cheaper and look lighter marathons (£15 each), might be perfect for you.

I had looked at those, having seen Blodwyn Pigs good results with them https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94471.0

Not sure the Spicer are that much lighter than my 32mm Marathon greenguard though.

Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2019, 04:21:37 pm »
I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.

Hmm. Looks like Spa Cycles has older style Marathon Supreme, rigid, for £20 an end in 700x32mm size...  Tempting...
My experience is about the same as Qxford Guy's, I like them in every respect other than the price...
I was going to mention Spa have them on offer, but you're already there. I've never seen that wired version they have for £20 anywhere else, I have some and they're fine, but as they also have the previous model folding version for £25 I think I'd spend the extra.

BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2019, 04:36:35 pm »
I'm massively impressed with Marathon Supremes (and I'm one of those who hate the stiff regular Marathon and Marathon Plus tyres), have been running the 32mm folding version on my Hewitt Cheviot for about 4 years now (obviusly not the same set...). For a touring tyre I find they seem fast, are relatively light and provide a nice road feel (unlike regular Marathons/Pluses) and are still relatively very puncture proof - have only really had punctures when the tyres have been close to wearing out. I've used them for year round commutuing and touring, but even on some club rides and sportives. No complaints.

Hmm. Looks like Spa Cycles has older style Marathon Supreme, rigid, for £20 an end in 700x32mm size...  Tempting...
My experience is about the same as Qxford Guy's, I like them in every respect other than the price...
I was going to mention Spa have them on offer, but you're already there. I've never seen that wired version they have for £20 anywhere else, I have some and they're fine, but as they also have the previous model folding version for £25 I think I'd spend the extra.

Indeed, probably as well to go for the folding version for an extra fiver a tyre. To me £25 a tyre is about maximum I'm happy to spend.

bludger

  • Randonneur and bargain hunter
Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 07:26:31 pm »
I've had schwalbe Spicer tyres on mine. Basically cheaper and look lighter marathons (£15 each), might be perfect for you.

I had looked at those, having seen Blodwyn Pigs good results with them https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94471.0

Not sure the Spicer are that much lighter than my 32mm Marathon greenguard though.


Yes I think I have it wrong, looks as if they are heavier. They're gooduns in my experience though and very good VFM.
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BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2019, 03:06:21 pm »
Lol, still not decided.   :facepalm: Perhaps the best compromise would be something lightly treaded, suitable for light off road paths in case I decided to cycle out to do bird watching down the coast or something.  Just a shame the current Marathon Greenguard are so "wooden" feeling :-/
 

Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2019, 03:26:05 pm »
Schawlow CX Comp might fit the bill. They’re dead cheap, work great on tarmac and I don’t think I’ve ever had a puncture while using them.

BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 03:49:46 pm »
Schawlow CX Comp might fit the bill. They’re dead cheap, work great on tarmac and I don’t think I’ve ever had a puncture while using them.

Probably a bit too "knobbly" on the shoulders though....  They are cheap though...

Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 03:58:07 pm »
Schawlow CX Comp might fit the bill. They’re dead cheap, work great on tarmac and I don’t think I’ve ever had a puncture while using them.

Probably a bit too "knobbly" on the shoulders though....  They are cheap though...
They are dead as a very dead thing to ride.  I use them as winter tyres when there is snow around, and only then.  I am very glad when I change back to lighter slicker tyres, the bike rides so much easier.  The question is about summer touring tyres.  No good to the OP because I use 28 but I like Michelin Pro 4 Endurance.  Some years ago I used Panaracer Paselas and quite liked them.

Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 04:11:58 pm »
I fitted some 33mm Jack Brown Blue's on my work bike recently. Most soft feeling, comfortable tyres I've ridden yet. £20 at Planet X. Described as a touring tyre they are apparently pretty decent for longevity and puncture resistance from the reviews I've read (I stuck a few ml of Stan's in the tubes to be on the safe side). I'm loving them so far. Only drawback is they were a bit of a nightmare to get on my rims.

Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 04:35:26 pm »
Lol, still not decided.   :facepalm: Perhaps the best compromise would be something lightly treaded, suitable for light off road paths in case I decided to cycle out to do bird watching down the coast or something.  Just a shame the current Marathon Greenguard are so "wooden" feeling :-/
I find the Supremes fine on light off road, they're certainly robust enough and IMO it's only in a narrow band of circumstances where a light tread makes any difference.  If you are looking for a Marathon like tread in a lighter tyre, the Paselas already mentioned are good, they were my default tyre for a decade or so, mostly the TG version, I haven't noticed any less grip since I changed to Supremes.

BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 05:11:37 pm »
I fitted some 33mm Jack Brown Blue's on my work bike recently. Most soft feeling, comfortable tyres I've ridden yet. £20 at Planet X. Described as a touring tyre they are apparently pretty decent for longevity and puncture resistance from the reviews I've read (I stuck a few ml of Stan's in the tubes to be on the safe side). I'm loving them so far. Only drawback is they were a bit of a nightmare to get on my rims.

Apparently made by panaracer? The sidewalls do look rather fragile though.

BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 05:51:36 pm »
Well, that's the 32mm Folding Marathon Supreme ordered from Spa Cycles, £25 each :-) I think they are an older version of the Marathon Supreme, but can't complain for the price.  I only hope they are in stock as it says on the Spa website..

 They do seem the best "compromise" tyre for the stuff I'll be doing on the tourer, mainly commuting to work, and solo leisurely day rides with picnic in the rack pack :-)

I'm sure they will be more than adequate for the "off road" cycle paths I'll be using.

I'm pretty sure If I had went for something more "off road suitable", I'd have been disappointed with the road performance. 

Although according to some newspapers, the worst winter in 1000 years is on it's way, so they may not get fitted until after the snopocalypse ;-)  :)

Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2019, 01:25:04 am »
Supremes are a smashing tire. comfortable, pretty fast rolling , puncture resistant, easy to fit and better off road than claimed. you can't go wrong. Useful reflective strip on sidewall too. Don't by the old model though.
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BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2019, 07:26:27 am »
Supremes are a smashing tire. comfortable, pretty fast rolling , puncture resistant, easy to fit and better off road than claimed. you can't go wrong. Useful reflective strip on sidewall too. Don't by the old model though.

Why not the old model? Anyway hopefully I'll be getting a pair of  the old model delivered today. £25 a tyre certainly more wallet friendly than £35+ a tyre.

BrianI

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2019, 09:52:00 pm »
Lol, I've only just opened up the package from Spa cycles.

What's that? They've sent a pair of the new style Marathon Supremes (HS469) for the price of the older style? (£25 folding)   :thumbsup:



That was a pleasant surprise indeed :-)  ;D

bludger

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Re: "Summer" touring tyres.
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2019, 11:17:19 pm »
Planet X are selling the excellent Vittoria G+ Revolution for £8 right now.

I've had these tyres on my deliveroo bike since last March. Done approx 5000 km on them and not one visit from the fairy.

Sizes 28-42mm https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVITREVG/vittoria-revolution-g-graphene-700c-wired-tyre

No brainer! I'm getting a few pairs as a stockpile...
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