Author Topic: PBP hi viz vest  (Read 12674 times)

wilkyboy

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2019, 06:18:42 pm »
[Just had a look through that FB chat and can't see where it was suggested that the label was for a different company.  Wowow are a legitimate, European based company.  I'd be surprised if they were doing anything dodgy with EN certification, they're not a Chinese seller operating outside the reach of EU law on Ali-Express.

If they are making illegitimate claims of conformity, they are being pretty methodical about it; rather than just sticking labels on things and hoping not to get caught...

I think I was on the fence about it, but thanks — that looks like good info  :thumbsup:
RRTY #7 done.  Need something else to do ... ah, welcome #8 8)

wilkyboy

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2019, 06:24:14 pm »
Main reflective bands front and back are 140mm x 65mm. The narrowest reflective material is 50mm.  There is enough reflective material to meet at least ISO 20471 class 2.  Washing instructions are on label.

I thought 20471 required a standard illustration with a single number next to it to indicate class-conformance?  I see no figure on that label — are there two labels? 

Again, strictly it requires that figure, otherwise it's not a proper, certified wotsit, by my reading.  But only 'cos I'm a pedant.  And because it's Thursday.

FWIW, your's looks FAR more compliant in the labelling than my lightweight, breathable favourite, so I'm not trying to prove anything, just Pedantic Thursday  ::-)

And I'm looking forward to reading what others think when their's arrive  :thumbsup:
RRTY #7 done.  Need something else to do ... ah, welcome #8 8)

quixoticgeek

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2019, 06:32:54 pm »


And I'm looking forward to reading what others think when their's arrive  :thumbsup:

I'm waiting for Pedantic Friday...

J
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2019, 06:35:38 pm »
Main reflective bands front and back are 140mm x 65mm. The narrowest reflective material is 50mm.  There is enough reflective material to meet at least ISO 20471 class 2.  Washing instructions are on label.

I thought 20471 required a standard illustration with a single number next to it to indicate class-conformance?  I see no figure on that label — are there two labels? 

Again, strictly it requires that figure, otherwise it's not a proper, certified wotsit, by my reading.  But only 'cos I'm a pedant.  And because it's Thursday.

FWIW, your's looks FAR more compliant in the labelling than my lightweight, breathable favourite, so I'm not trying to prove anything, just Pedantic Thursday  ::-)

And I'm looking forward to reading what others think when their's arrive  :thumbsup:

Never mind the label  -  20471 also requires:

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Garments only covering the torso shall have one or more bands of retroreflective material encircling
the torso...
and
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Any gap (for fastening systems and seams) in the lengthwise continuity of each band of retroreflective or
combined performance material shall not be greater than 50 mm, measured parallel to the direction of
the band, and the total of such gaps shall not be greater than 100 mm in any one band around the torso.

It doesn't look like the Freemove offering complies.

fboab

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2019, 07:14:24 pm »

Please see my advice above - it's pretty applicable to most of France, most of the time.

If you still get too hot, take off your jersey.

Cos women stripping off in public to change layers is always a great idea...

J
I wear this one with a sports bra.

And yes, I strip off the jersey in public. No one gives a shit.
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Kim

  • Timelord
Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2019, 07:25:09 pm »
It's a faff, but I don't have a particular problem (other than finding somewhere sensible to put my glasses) stripping down to a sports bra at the side of the road in order to remove a baselayer, or for emergency bee extraction.  Obviously it's not ideal next to a bus stop full of rowdy oiks, but if there are oiks around, there's probably a loo or something.

YMMV, of course; some people have scars they're self-conscious of, or have had bad experiences, or whatever.  And it's obviously not a good idea in the sort of countries us QUILTBAGs tend to think twice about visiting in the first place.
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FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2019, 07:39:31 pm »
It doesn't look like the Freemove offering complies.

I noted that their website says "Reflectivity standard EN20471" which is clearly bollocks since EN20471 is a PPE standard not reflectivity.
They seem to be based in Ohio.


FifeingEejit

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2019, 07:45:02 pm »
Having a bit of a dig around work wear websites


Hi-Vis T-Shirt, also DIN certified rather than BSI therefore less risk of becoming unrecognized after 29th March.
https://www.engelbert-strauss.co.uk/work-t-shirts/high-vis-functional-t-shirt-e-s-motion-2020-3210030-65616-778.html

Includes a zip on the front, dunnoh if forestry workers like to carry stuff in back pockets though
https://www.gplshop.co.uk/husqvarna-forest-garden-products/safety-equipment-clothing/clothes/t-shirt-technical-high-viz-short-sleeve-en-20471.php

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #83 on: February 07, 2019, 07:55:26 pm »
It's a faff, but I don't have a particular problem (other than finding somewhere sensible to put my glasses) stripping down to a sports bra at the side of the road in order to remove a baselayer, or for emergency bee extraction.  Obviously it's not ideal next to a bus stop full of rowdy oiks, but if there are oiks around, there's probably a loo or something.

YMMV, of course; some people have scars they're self-conscious of, or have had bad experiences, or whatever.  And it's obviously not a good idea in the sort of countries us QUILTBAGs tend to think twice about visiting in the first place.

I always wear a baselayer - problem solved!

Kim

  • Timelord
Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2019, 08:05:11 pm »
I always wear a baselayer - problem solved!

Yes, but you're north of the wall...  :P
Careful, Kim. Your sarcasm's showing...

mattc

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #85 on: February 07, 2019, 08:18:50 pm »
I'd also like to complain about the notorious Oxford-London night ride on which Rogerzilla and Hummers dressed as Widow Twankee and Cinderella (don't ask who was who). There was lots of extra drag on that ride.
You can't make retrospective complaints, sorry!
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mattc

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #86 on: February 07, 2019, 08:22:18 pm »

Please see my advice above - it's pretty applicable to most of France, most of the time.

If you still get too hot, take off your jersey.

Cos women stripping off in public to change layers is always a great idea...

J
I wear this one with a sports bra.

And yes, I strip off the jersey in public. No one gives a shit.
And it will probably be dark.

p.s. I hope it's a VC167 sports bra!
Has never ridden RAAM
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No.11  Because of the great host of those who dislike the least appearance of "swank " when they travel the roads and lanes. - From Kuklos' 39 Articles

Phil W

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #87 on: February 07, 2019, 09:03:41 pm »
If it gets really hot there is hi vis underwear

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjU86golCc

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #88 on: February 07, 2019, 09:18:33 pm »
Do the marshals make velomobilistes wear hi-viz vests too?
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quixoticgeek

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #89 on: February 07, 2019, 09:41:45 pm »
It's a faff, but I don't have a particular problem (other than finding somewhere sensible to put my glasses) stripping down to a sports bra at the side of the road in order to remove a baselayer, or for emergency bee extraction.  Obviously it's not ideal next to a bus stop full of rowdy oiks, but if there are oiks around, there's probably a loo or something.

YMMV, of course; some people have scars they're self-conscious of, or have had bad experiences, or whatever.  And it's obviously not a good idea in the sort of countries us QUILTBAGs tend to think twice about visiting in the first place.

I have no main issue with my own body and Nudity, however I find that most others do not approve of me being topless.

As for sports bra. HAHAHAHAHA. My physio wants me to join a circuit training class to get some extra strength training. So I went to buy a sports bra. Turns out non of the highstreet shops in Amsterdam make sports bra's that go big enough for me. I ended up cycling out to Almere to a specialist sports bra shop, that whilst having dozens of different lines in stock, only had 3 that come in my size. I spent €100 on it. It's great for circuits, and running, but I did a 200 with it, and it's just not comfortable enough. I've kinda resigned myself to the fact I can't get sports bras that are a) in my size and b) comfortable for long distance cycling. You wouldn't think 38H is that big, but apparently, yes it is. It was a major regret the day I realised I'd forgotten to bring a sports bra when riding Paris Roubaix...

I don't tend to wear a base layer under my jersey as it's just too damn hot to do so.

J
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #90 on: February 07, 2019, 09:44:48 pm »
Do the marshals make velomobilistes wear hi-viz vests too?

It's as well to have the hi-vis in the velomobile, as it's not entirely certain that you won't have to borrow a bike to finish with.

wilkyboy

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2019, 12:04:59 am »
Do the marshals make velomobilistes wear hi-viz vests too?

It's as well to have the hi-vis in the velomobile, as it's not entirely certain that you won't have to borrow a bike to finish with.

I thought PBP requires one to finish on/in the same machine one started on/in?
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2019, 06:24:21 am »
There have been several (rare) instances of folk finishing on borrowed bicycles that were different to the ones they started with.
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2019, 07:18:43 am »
There have been several (rare) instances of folk finishing on borrowed bicycles that were different to the ones they started with.

With permission of the ACP. This rule is a rumour from the past.

I can remember an occasion in '99.
I had dropped out already with stomach issues and was assisting with the Willesden Battle Van. At a certain moment a rider approached us. He had a broken drop out and was ferried by a marshall to the control. He asked if we had anything which could fix his drop out. We didn't but there was another bike of another dropped out rider on the van. So we quickly set up the bike for him and the marshall ferried him back to the point where he stopped.
A couple of hours later he was at the control again, now having arrived by bike. We fine tuned the bike for him and he finished.
Later one I read in a French bike mag that the chief controllers received a request from the control if it was permitted that he continued on a borrowed bike. This was permitted.

Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2019, 10:50:16 am »
Do the marshals make velomobilistes wear hi-viz vests too?

It's as well to have the hi-vis in the velomobile, as it's not entirely certain that you won't have to borrow a bike to finish with.

I thought PBP requires one to finish on/in the same machine one started on/in?

The best documented one I have is this rider.
http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=info&frame=W010

Heather interviewed him at the finish. I interviewed Bill Russell, who finished after Velomobile problems.

LittleWheelsandBig

  • Whimsy Rider
Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2019, 01:54:24 pm »
Do the marshals make velomobilistes wear hi-viz vests too?

It's as well to have the hi-vis in the velomobile, as it's not entirely certain that you won't have to borrow a bike to finish with.

I thought PBP requires one to finish on/in the same machine one started on/in?

From https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1200.msg2481#msg2481
"The 1956 PBP, the last time 'seals' were used to prevent bike changes, saw 77 (from 106) Audax and 157 (from 250) Randonneur finishers coping with nasty weather."

https://cycling.ahands.org/pbp2003/history.html notes sealing the riders' machines for the first PBP race.

As Ivo noted, get permission from the PBP folk and there would be no problems with swapping bikes in the event of severe bike problems.
Wheel meet again, don't know where, don't know when...

mattc

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2019, 02:32:06 pm »
What's this rule for - is it to limit the benefits of support teams?
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2019, 02:35:26 pm »
Bike check vs. what you actually ride, I expect nowadays. Historically, PBP was a test of man (women's entries were returned in 1891) and machine. If the bike couldn't last the distance, it wasn't good enough.
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2019, 02:37:34 pm »
Has the bike check got any more sophisticated? In 2011 I remember it was simply a sticker on the top tube, something that could easily be transferred or copied to a completely separate bike.

(I guess it would be a risk as there are plenty of marshals on the course and at controls to spot anything obviously verboten [tri-bars, brakeless fixed, etc].)
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Re: PBP hi viz vest
« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2019, 02:40:15 pm »
As LWAB notes, PBP was a reliability trial, especially of machines. It was described as an épreuve, literally a test.