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Cudzoziemiec

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"Original" songs that are actually covers
« on: March 18, 2019, 07:57:53 pm »
Because you asked for it. Or at least Citoyen did.

Do we have a term to indicate the version that's generally accepted as "original" though in fact it's a cover? Maybe standard? Though that has a slightly different meaning too.

I don't know but it sounds like a subject for a thread in itself.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2019, 07:59:33 pm »
Mr Larrington has already suggested an answer to the question:
Do we have a term to indicate the version that's generally accepted as "original" though in fact it's a cover? Maybe standard? Though that has a slightly different meaning too.

Canonical?

And Citoyen has already suggested an(other) example:
I may have already mentioned the Valentinos' fantastic original version of All Over Now:
https://youtu.be/71XrZ7ghpZg
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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2019, 08:09:33 pm »
Hound Dog - Elvis (original Big Mama Thornton)

Superstition - Steve Wonder (original Jeff Beck)
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2019, 08:23:21 pm »
Sunday Mornin' Comin' Down - Jonny Cash (original Ray Stevens but written by  Kris Kristofferson)

Quite a few Kris Kristofferson songs were either originally recorded by him or by other people before someone recorded the version that everyone thinks of as the "original" such as:

Me and Bobby McGee - Janis Joplin (original Kris Kristofferson)
For the Good Times - Perry Como (original Bill Nash)
Help Me Make It Through The Night - Sammi Smith (original Kris Kristofferson)
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2019, 08:26:10 pm »
Approximately 27.3% of the non-hiphop output of Top Of The Pops when I was a teenager.  Always unnerving when your parents start singing along to brand new stuff.  I assume this effect is pretty universal?
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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2019, 08:26:27 pm »
The Clash - I fought the law.  Originally recorded by Bobby Fuller (who?)

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2019, 08:40:05 pm »
There's compilation albums capitalizing on this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heard-Here-First-Various-Artists/dp/B001CDF040


The Knife's Heartbeats is another one where there is a cover more famous than the original thanks to a TV advert.

Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2019, 12:06:14 am »
The most complicated story is probably 'Hooked on a Feeling'. The version that gets played most is by 'Blue Swede', which is sometimes 'Blue Suede'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

The original is by B.J Thomas,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqt_iZBvtCo who is best known for 'Raindrops are Falling on My Head', from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, which was covered by Sacha Distel.

The Blue Swede/Suede version is in fact a cover of the version by Jonathan King, who became an 'unperson' following a child abuse conviction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNLo7OzNd_Q

Much as the Joan Jett version of 'Do You Want Touch?' stands in for the Gary Glitter original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUreAjEYedo

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2019, 12:07:27 am »
Song to the Siren
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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2019, 06:33:20 am »
The most complicated story is probably 'More Than a Feeling'. The version that gets played most is by 'Blue Swede', which is sometimes 'Blue Suede'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

I was thinking what about Boston?

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94

The I realised you meant "Hooked on a feeling" not "More than a feeling" :)
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

citoyen

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2019, 06:41:47 am »
Song to the Siren

Much as I love Liz Fraser, I’ve never really got on with TMC’s version. Then I heard the original... it’s incredible. This live recording gives me goosebumps:

https://youtu.be/vMTEtDBHGY4

citoyen

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2019, 06:45:57 am »
I was brought up with Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger so this is the version I knew, rather than Roberta Flack’s more famous one:

https://youtu.be/VP8qXnnn4tc

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2019, 07:31:24 am »
Song to the Siren

Much as I love Liz Fraser, I’ve never really got on with TMC’s version. Then I heard the original... it’s incredible. This live recording gives me goosebumps:

https://youtu.be/vMTEtDBHGY4

I guess I’m the other way round, the genre the original falls into does little for me.

I still remember which street I was on in Cheltenham when I first heard the TMC version, on a plasterers radio.
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citoyen

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"Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2019, 08:46:55 am »
I know I am literally the only person in the whole world who doesn’t like TMC’s version but I don’t mind being in the wrong on this occasion. It just sounds like a load of wailing to me. The original is incredibly restrained and pure by comparison.

Mind you, the TMC version has the advantage that the lyrics are indecipherable so you don’t realise what a load of nonsense it is.

Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2019, 08:49:58 am »
The Cure's version of 'Creep'

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2019, 08:54:18 am »
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

citoyen

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Re: &quot;Original&quot; songs that are actually covers
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2019, 08:57:33 am »
Blondie were one of my first musical obsessions and their take on this is so quintessentially Blondie-esque that I was surprised to discover quite recently that it was a cover:

https://youtu.be/emy5mA8Ixtc

citoyen

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Re: &quot;Original&quot; songs that are actually covers
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2019, 08:58:28 am »
Adele and "Make You Feel My Love". Its taken over from the Bob Dylan original.

Not in my world. I don’t think I’ve even heard Adele’s version - and long may it stay that way.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2019, 09:00:44 am »
I know I am literally the only person in the whole world who doesn’t like TMC’s version but I don’t mind being in the wrong on this occasion. It just sounds like a load of wailing to me. The original is incredibly restrained and pure by comparison.

Mind you, the TMC version has the advantage that the lyrics are indecipherable so you don’t realise what a load of nonsense it is.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2019, 09:02:59 am »
Quite a few Kris Kristofferson songs were either originally recorded by him or by other people before someone recorded the version that everyone thinks of as the "original" such as:

Me and Booby McGee - Janis Joplin (original Kris Kristofferson)
I'm sure I've read that he wrote it for her, even though he recorded it himself too. I guess that's another category...
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citoyen

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Re: &quot;Original&quot; songs that are actually covers
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2019, 09:05:26 am »
I don’t think anyone would argue with the claim that Sinead now owns this song, would they?

https://youtu.be/_ZlzN0Gtpp8

Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2019, 12:06:05 pm »
Stevie Wonder's original take on "Until You Come Back to Me (That's What I'm Gonna Do)" isn't quite up there with Aretha's version, but it's well worth a listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2MJLXYBNv4

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Re: &quot;Original&quot; songs that are actually covers
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2019, 12:25:59 pm »
Blondie were one of my first musical obsessions and their take on this is so quintessentially Blondie-esque that I was surprised to discover quite recently that it was a cover:

https://youtu.be/emy5mA8Ixtc
Well you've got one over on me there! Very surprised.

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2019, 12:39:01 pm »
The most complicated story is probably 'More Than a Feeling'. The version that gets played most is by 'Blue Swede', which is sometimes 'Blue Suede'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

I was thinking what about Boston?

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94

The I realised you meant "Hooked on a feeling" not "More than a feeling" :)

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We've covered this ground before. The Isley Brothers always feature. Summer Breeze is a cover, and the Beatles covered the Isleys' 'Twist and Shout', which was actually first recorded by 'The Top Notes'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsDpc-8iR8g

citoyen

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Re: "Original" songs that are actually covers
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2019, 01:10:36 pm »
This one came up in the pub quiz last month - hands up if you thought it was a Manfred Mann original...

https://youtu.be/yjxbOe7p8C0