Author Topic: LEL2021 early entry  (Read 7740 times)

Fidgetbuzz

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2019, 11:10:30 pm »
I may have muddled the conversations by trying to be informative .. we are talking about taking 2000 entries .. but this is only chat .. not the definitive number that Danial will in the end accept .. this will be a 2021 decision .. when we have info about AUK entries, applications for the final ballot , judgement of controllers etc etc .. ..and then remember to allow / adjust  for all those who pull out and get a partial refund, as well as  those who are just DNS .. we think with the new controls and extra beds etc  that the ride can handle and will have  the range 1600/1750 actual riders.   
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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2019, 11:15:34 pm »
According to the tracking data there were 1441 starters in 2017.

(There were 894 finish scans, although that includes some who were out of time or skipped controls)

Alex B

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2019, 05:17:56 am »
(There were 894 finish scans, although that includes some who were out of time or skipped controls)

The LRM web site lists 831 validated finishers - so 610 DNF (42.3%).

mmmmartin

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2019, 03:37:21 pm »
AIUI the "high" rate of DNF was affected by riders entering the fast group* and finishing inside the "usual" time but outside the "fast" time. So they would have finished the ride itself but were technically DNF because they were outside the time they were supposed to do it in.

*It's possible they entered the "fast" time because the "usual" section was full. So they had a place, rode LEL, didn't pack - but show up as DNF. Any comparison between DNf rates with previous years or with PBP needs to bear this in mind.
Besides, it wouldn't be audacious if success were guaranteed.

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2019, 03:56:57 pm »
There were 272 starters in the 100 hour groups, of whom 81 dnfed and 44 f’ed out of time. So only possibly a small fraction of the overall DNF.

(From the raw barcode data. Brevets may differ)

quixoticgeek

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2019, 04:06:51 pm »

Can someone confirm that my understanding on the following is correct.

PBP is not an LRM validated ride, so doesn't count for the completing an LRM validated ride in 2017,2018,2019, and 2020 route?

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2019, 04:12:59 pm »
Can someone confirm that my understanding on the following is correct.
PBP is not an LRM validated ride, so doesn't count for the completing an LRM validated ride in 2017,2018,2019, and 2020 route?
J
See post #16 above (in answer to my Q)
1000s are BRM or BR. 1200(+) are RM or BR, except for PBP. 1000s and PBP don't count as RM.

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2019, 04:22:57 pm »
Danial posted this on the LRM facebook page.

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I seek to balance giving both new and experienced riders the chance to take part. Mark has been very helpful in calculating the numbers, giving me the confidence to announce that anyone with a LRM validated event in 2017-2020 inclusive is guaranteed a place on LEL. We will allow PBP for your 2019 ride. Thanks for all your help, Mark!

quixoticgeek

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2019, 04:26:08 pm »
Danial posted this on the LRM facebook page.

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I seek to balance giving both new and experienced riders the chance to take part. Mark has been very helpful in calculating the numbers, giving me the confidence to announce that anyone with a LRM validated event in 2017-2020 inclusive is guaranteed a place on LEL. We will allow PBP for your 2019 ride. Thanks for all your help, Mark!

Doh. I just emailed a load of people saying PBP didn't count... Oops.

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2019, 06:55:55 pm »
Danial posted this on the LRM facebook page.

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I seek to balance giving both new and experienced riders the chance to take part. Mark has been very helpful in calculating the numbers, giving me the confidence to announce that anyone with a LRM validated event in 2017-2020 inclusive is guaranteed a place on LEL. We will allow PBP for your 2019 ride. Thanks for all your help, Mark!
Is this one LRM event in any of those years? Before I thought I read it as one in each of those years

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Phil W

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2019, 06:57:16 pm »
Danial posted this on the LRM facebook page.

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I seek to balance giving both new and experienced riders the chance to take part. Mark has been very helpful in calculating the numbers, giving me the confidence to announce that anyone with a LRM validated event in 2017-2020 inclusive is guaranteed a place on LEL. We will allow PBP for your 2019 ride. Thanks for all your help, Mark!
Is this one LRM event in any of those years? Before I thought I read it as one in each of those years

The latter, so one in each year else the numbers who would qualify goes through the roof.

Fidgetbuzz

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2019, 09:40:24 pm »
AIUI the "high" rate of DNF was affected by riders entering the fast group* and finishing inside the "usual" time but outside the "fast" time. So they would have finished the ride itself but were technically DNF because they were outside the time they were supposed to do it in.

Danial has already posted to the fb group that he may have partially caused the unusually high DNF rate by indicating that a relaxed approach to northbound timing would be adopted . With hindsight this led to many failing to realise that the northern sections are tough. Add in the very hard last day headwind across the Fens .. and mix in that we had some Far Eastern riders .. who when asking about possible nighttime temperatures (reply could be cold , wet and might be in the range 0 to 5 C ) .. their reaction was .. I HAVE NEVER RIDDEN IN A TEMPERATURE BELOW 20 C.  So multiple factors involved here .. but in my view .. there is no reason for LEL DNFs to be significantly different to PBP if that is your measure of normal.
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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2019, 09:11:40 am »
I was one of the DNFs. After the Edinburgh I was waiting for a nice Yad Moss downhill at 50km/h speed. Because of the storm started shortly after return ride I was pedalling it down at 12 km/h top speed. Then I lost my humour ;) As very full value ride I mostly ride alone. The headwind made riding very slow. I manage to reach Thirsk about 8 pm. I had plenty of time in  hand. It had rained all the time. The fast ones got better weather than we slow ones.

I got some rest. When I was going out again a lady came in soaking wet. I asked is it still raining. Yes! Then I turned back and DNF.

Reasons to my DNF was I was fed up with raining. The headwind ahead. I knew that there was direct train from Thirsk to London. I had to travel to Finland shortly after ride. Some health problems so I had to spare myself a little. I would have ridden 200k but 400k at that moment was too much to ride alone headwind etc.

And maybe I am born loser because it was my second DNF LEL. But I did pbp2015.

In Thirsk there a lot of other DNFs. Mostly us slow riders who had suffered most from bad weather. The fast ones where luckier.
Long rides - always too far

CrazyEnglishTriathlete

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2019, 10:53:45 am »
At St Ives, our food plans for the return were based on 85% of riders passing through - 80% finishers and 5% out of time riders - but we were happy to feed those who were making their way back out of time (within reason).  These statistics (as I recall) would have worked well in 2009 (wet and windy) and 2013 (hot). 

On the return leg we kept waiting for a bulge of riders that never came.  Reflecting on the times at which riders came in, riders of all speeds and capabilities were later than expected (despite Phil D having been a controller in 2009 and 2013 and myself having ridden in 2009 and catered in 2013).  Even the strong riders looked fairly shattered after crossing the fens in the headwinds. 

Putting these factors together I would suggest that the weather was the main factor, and discussions about a relaxed first-half increased the impact of the weather.  I'm sure that this will serve as warning for riders in 2021 - both through discussion groups and (dare I suggest) guidance in official briefings - and riders will give themselves more time for a potentially difficult return.

That, plus the early entry that should ensure a higher proportion of more experienced riders, whilst retaining the principle of not requiring qualifying rides, should, IMHO, help a return to a higher level of completion in 2021. 


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bhoot

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2019, 01:30:07 pm »
You can now check whether your membership number is on the guaranteed entry list here https://www.audax.uk/static-data/lel-2021-auk-members-guaranteed-entry/

Don't panic (yet) if it isn't - as you will see there are a few reasons why your number may have been been missed, if so you can contact me.

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2020, 08:44:20 am »
I know that everything will be up in the air tight now re. what LEL will look like in 2021 with the coronavirus situation, but I was wondering about eligibility. I had an issue with my direct debit setup so my membership lapsed for 1 day on 1st January. I'm no longer on the excel for a guaranteed place, but i hope that there may be a bit if wiggle room. Wondering who i need to beg to, Caroline Fenton or Alwyn?


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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2020, 09:35:14 am »
I think the membership secretary maintains the list of continuous members.

At face value it would seem harsh to penalise you if you attempted to set up a direct debit,  but for whatever reason it failed and then you addressed it straight away.

Eddington  96miles

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2020, 10:47:56 am »
I know that everything will be up in the air tight now re. what LEL will look like in 2021 with the coronavirus situation, but I was wondering about eligibility. I had an issue with my direct debit setup so my membership lapsed for 1 day on 1st January. I'm no longer on the excel for a guaranteed place, but i hope that there may be a bit if wiggle room. Wondering who i need to beg to, Caroline Fenton or Alwyn?

That's a tough one. I think Caroline was pretty clear in giving warning that she would be uncompromising going forward. I would speak to her first.

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2020, 11:00:54 pm »
I have just realised that many months ago I misread the year membership for the guaranteed entry as 2019...  :facepalm:

Been thinking for a while now that I was definitely on for a spot. I guess I'll just go into the ballot and hope.  :-\

el

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2020, 09:24:34 am »
I'm keen to apply to the ballot. However my money hasn't been returned from the lejog audax that didnt run this year. Is there any provision for returning entry fees if the event doesn't run/ covid as I need some assurances I am not recklessly throwing away money!

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Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2020, 05:37:06 pm »
I'm keen to apply to the ballot. However my money hasn't been returned from the lejog audax that didnt run this year. Is there any provision for returning entry fees if the event doesn't run/ covid as I need some assurances I am not recklessly throwing away money!

In past LEL editions there was a cut-off date, beyond which a refund couln't be given (less a deposit, I'm not sure?), if real life or lack of fitness intervened. Covid is now another 'what if' in the mix ...

Maybe the spendy headline events should be underwritten by AUK, so the organisers and riders aren't out of pocket?

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2020, 06:53:06 pm »
LEL 2017 had a specific refund policy outlined in terms and conditions and in faq etc on the website. I’m sure LEL 2021 will also be explicit about what terms you would be accepting upon entering.

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2020, 08:08:13 pm »
So, back to the original post. How do we enter this early ballot? Do you need to be a current paid up member of AUK?

I was holding off on re-starting my membership till the new year, but if its required ill pop for it tomorrow.

Finally got that itch back after all but retiring after a successful PBP in 2015.

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2020, 09:27:48 pm »
The early entry ballot was last year. Here is the entry page on the website.
https://londonedinburghlondon.com/enter

Re: LEL2021 early entry
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2020, 09:50:59 pm »
Ah, that was very early entry! Will just have to try my luck in January then.