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Kim

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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #225 on: July 28, 2019, 07:34:54 pm »
There was a Never Stop Railway at Wembley in 1925. Don't go falling onto the "track"...

Vague childhood memories of boarding a monorail in a similar manner at some Disney establishment or other.  It wasn't powered by a giant whisk, thobut.

I have less vague childhood memories of riding the NPH Paternosters.  One of my big regrets was never getting round to going on the Sheffield uni ones.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #226 on: July 28, 2019, 07:42:16 pm »
Which got me thinking of a way to transport people across the massive site which would be the New Euston, St Pancras and Kings Cross station, after all it would be far too far to walk given all the riches my rule will bring to the people. My remedy would be rolling roads as described by Isaac Asimov.

There was a Never Stop Railway at Wembley in 1925. Don't go falling onto the "track"...
Reminds me of the paternoster lifts at Aston University.
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We had the paternosters at UCE in Perry Barr still in 2000.

Great larks were had, some that would upset H&S professionals.

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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #227 on: July 28, 2019, 07:50:35 pm »
There was a Never Stop Railway at Wembley in 1925. Don't go falling onto the "track"...

Vague childhood memories of boarding a monorail in a similar manner at some Disney establishment or other.  It wasn't powered by a giant whisk, thobut.

I have less vague childhood memories of riding the NPH Paternosters.  One of my big regrets was never getting round to going on the Sheffield uni ones.

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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #228 on: July 28, 2019, 08:03:07 pm »
I’ve used the Essex Uni Paternoster and was surprised at my nervousness in boarding it. I’m glad I did though because they were planning on removing it as part of a big library improvement programme. There was some resistance by a group of the old guard academics (including Dr B’s supervisor) though I don’t know if they succeeded in having it left in service.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #229 on: July 28, 2019, 09:10:44 pm »
Had them at Leeds when I was there 72-75 - in the Charles Morris Hall at the end of the Admin/Physics/Earth Sciences corridor, and also in the Lecture Theatre block IIRC.  Didn't think anything of them then, just used them - but your timing had to be good.  If they were crowded going one way, we got on the other side and either went over the top or round the  bottom.  Bit scary first time, but no-one got crushed!.  What's Health and Safety?

Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #230 on: July 28, 2019, 09:30:43 pm »
Used to be one at Newcastle Uni when I was there in the early 80s. Think its gone now though.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #231 on: July 31, 2019, 07:10:31 pm »
Most people's dominant hand is the one on the right. Better for holding on to the handrail.

That's how they do it here, so after Brexit BOris will probably change it.
Yebbut it might be one of the things you got from here, like your left-hand railways.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #232 on: August 01, 2019, 10:46:30 am »
Why developers can't write intelligible sentences for normal humans.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #233 on: August 01, 2019, 11:28:47 am »
Why developers can't write intelligible sentences for normal humans.

Methinks the infinite monkeys theorem applies.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #234 on: August 01, 2019, 11:41:42 am »
Why developers can't write intelligible sentences for normal humans.

Define 'normal' in the context of humans.
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ian

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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #235 on: August 01, 2019, 12:03:31 pm »
Stuff that I can understand. Like if I ask a question that really requires a 'yes, it can' or 'no, it can't' answer', one of those two. Not a paragraph of guff. I don't need to know it's an attribute of a field so la-la-la. Come on, you can surely do binary? Yes? No?

Of course, if the bloody API document was well written, I wouldn't need to ask the question in the first place.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #236 on: August 01, 2019, 01:26:03 pm »
The standard rule is if it can you’ll get a short coherent response in the positive, if it can’t then said developers will need to tell you why it can’t and what else it can do to mitigate the missing feature. Years of writing in code will however rendered the coder responsible for communication outside the team somewhat challenged in human speak.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #237 on: August 01, 2019, 01:39:32 pm »
I expect the answer is not a Yes or No.
It will be a 'It Depends".

Perhaaps yes in some circumstances, perhaps no in others.

Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #238 on: August 01, 2019, 01:52:02 pm »
Or as PP would put it, yes no maybe.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #239 on: August 01, 2019, 02:04:11 pm »
Or as PP would put it, yes no maybe.

Ian asked for binary not fuzzy logic

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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #240 on: August 01, 2019, 07:53:53 pm »
Quote from: ian
Why developers can't write intelligible sentences for normal humans.

Quote from: ian
Of course, if the bloody API document was well written...

I believe we have been around this particular mulberry bush before.  :)

Brief answer.  It's hard to convert difficult to understand technical information into "plain" English when you know how much understanding of the area your audience has.  It is even harder to do this when you have no idea what your target audience knows.  It becomes harder still when your Project Manager is squealing about delays in the creation of code and isn't prepared to let you spend as much time as is needed on the documentation.  Good documentation requires as much, sometimes more, effort than the code.  The result of this is that devs. just say "Fuck it!" and throw the bare minimum over the wall.

I suggest you find the relevant Project Managers, invite them back to the Asbestos Palace for cheese and wine and then threaten to set the BEARS onto them unless and until they agree to let the Devs write decent documentation.  I have some spare PMs that could usefully be subjected to this therapy should you wish to conduct a trial run.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #241 on: August 02, 2019, 11:58:54 am »
As a former project manager I feel that I must point out that I can only work within the budget set by the client and the client nearly always complains that the estimate is too high and wants things cut. The documentation doesn’t affect the running of the software, so the client doesn’t see why they should pay for it. Testing is often the next casualty in this discussion. My reluctance to change my stance on these issues is why I didn’t climb further up the slippery pole.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #242 on: August 02, 2019, 12:45:17 pm »
I suggest you find the relevant Project Managers, invite them back to the Asbestos Palace for cheese and wine and then threaten to set the BEARS onto them unless and until they agree to let the Devs write decent documentation.  I have some spare PMs that could usefully be subjected to this therapy should you wish to conduct a trial run.


"Let" the Devs? Getting they buggers to put in the odd comment in their code (other than "Jim says this can't happen but..." & "Helen is a null pointer assignment") would be a start.
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #243 on: August 02, 2019, 10:48:54 pm »
Or as PP would put it, yes no maybe.

Ian asked for binary not fuzzy logic
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Re: things i don't understand
« Reply #244 on: August 02, 2019, 11:26:24 pm »
Stuff that I can understand. Like if I ask a question that really requires a 'yes, it can' or 'no, it can't' answer', one of those two. Not a paragraph of guff. I don't need to know it's an attribute of a field so la-la-la. Come on, you can surely do binary? Yes? No?

Of course, if the bloody API document was well written, I wouldn't need to ask the question in the first place.

It can, but if they say yes, they know you're probably going to expect it to do it, and are going to come back and complain to them when it doesn't, which they suspect will be because you've supplied the wrong inputs.
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