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mattc

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2019, 01:12:16 pm »
I've always viewed country-specific PBP/LEL jerseys as the equivalent of personalised stag weekend t-shirts
Do you often find yourself comparing audax with stag weekends??
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2019, 06:01:09 pm »
Wondering if there is a culture of swapping national pbp jerseys after the event.

There absolutely is this tradition. A lot of people order 2 national PBP jerseys, one to keep and one to swap.

Redlight

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2019, 07:20:38 pm »
The Force GB web site is now showing both the front and rear designs of the AUK jersey. Choice of red or blue - the design features the AUK logo, the PBP logo, discreet flags of each of the four UK nations plus a Union Flag, the dates and distance of the ride and, finally, a little joke for the benefit of our French hosts.

Order here:  https://forcegb.com/club-shops/audax-paris-brest-paris-2019

Orders received by 5th July will be delivered to UK addresses in time for the ride and the site will stay open afterwards for additional / replacement jerseys to be ordered.
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2019, 11:58:37 am »
Has anyone got a view on the difference between the two qualities of top  offered? The only Force GB top I can find in my kit is the 2013 LEL top. (for some reason, I've always disliked the two back pocket design on this but on the website it does say they both have three)   
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2019, 12:18:10 pm »
I have a 2017 Mille Pennines in the 'Event' style (bought in 2016  :facepalm:)and it's a bit flappy. I have a 2017 LEL one in the 'Club' style - it's deliberately cut a bit tighter "Athletic cut provides both style and comfort" - and it fits me snugly (I kid myself I still had an 'athletic' profile and anyway did try various ones on while helping dish clothing out on the registration day of LEL so I was sure which size I wanted). Both are 'L' and I'm 178cm and 96cm chest / 87cm waist.
There are some other differences which are listed (eg some mesh and a mini zipped pocket in the 'club' version).
HTH

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2019, 10:21:05 am »
The image resolution on the Force GB web site is not that great.  This shows the design a bit more clearly.  (It's also available in red)

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2019, 11:03:13 am »
The term 'rosbifs' is an interesting choice. It can be used as an insult against the English, and conveys the same sense as 'Gammon'. Some feel that it's a term that came about from the workrate and appetite of the navvies who built the first railways in France. They would have consumed 6,000 to 7,000 calories per day, much of that beef.

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(The English navvy, who went abroad soon after the beginning of railway building, was a revelation to the foreigner. 'My God,' said the French, 'these English, how they work.' At first on the Paris-Le Havre railway the English navvy gave orders by stamping his foot, shouting 'damn' and pointing a finger like a pick blade at what he wanted done. A kind of Anglo-French lingua-franca soon grew up offering brief careers to bright young Savoyards who specialised in translating it. In France the English navvy was a creature to be gawped at for his bigness, uncouthness and wildness. They brought the navvy-sized iron tools and money-making barrows, discarding the puny wooden things the French worked with. Where the French ate sparingly of bread and fruit, the English swallowed heaps of bacon and beef).
http://www.victorianweb.org/history/work/sullivan/7.html

The comparison between the output of British and French workers prompted the adoption of more meat into the French diet. The navvies came from around the UK and Ireland, so its bracketing between the various flags isn't an error. What non meat eaters might think is another issue.

I wonder what the Audax Ireland shirt will look like?

Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2019, 01:53:31 pm »
Seems I've just learned something about the flag of Northern Ireland (or lack of)
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2019, 02:41:15 pm »
Too many flags for me, not to mention the cardboard crow.

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2019, 02:57:21 pm »
Seems I've just learned something about the flag of Northern Ireland (or lack of)

Tricky one that. Apparently, the official flag of NI is simply the Union Flag.  So, after much discussion, we opted for the St Patrick's Saltaire as it's the component of the Union Flag that represents NI. 
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2019, 08:56:32 pm »
Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/


Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2019, 10:12:19 am »
Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
So does that mean we should be audax GB and not audax UK, if audax Ireland also covers Ulster?
   Eddington  81 miles  112 kms

Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2019, 11:35:18 am »
Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
So does that mean we should be audax GB and not audax UK, if audax Ireland also covers Ulster?

The agreement with AUK is clear about the geographical area.

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The Audax Club Parisien delegates the management of the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux to an individual, actual person, nominated as the "ACP representative" in his/her assigned geographical area.
The geographical area of the ACP representative in this agreement is as follows : UNITED KINGDOM
Notes :
The geographical area must be at least equivalent to a political state. For historical reasons related to the worldwide growth of the organization of the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux, it is accepted that Canada and Spain have geographical areas by region (2 regions for Spain and 6 regions for Canada). For these two particular cases, it is desirable to reduce these subdivisions.
2. The ACP representative has authority in his/her assigned geographical area.
3. The ACP representative is the sole correspondent of the ACP for his/her assigned geographical area, except as provided for in Article 9, chapter 2, (notes), of this Agreement.

Article 9, chapter 2, provides a bit of a plausible interpretation of the status quo. As one of the official languages of Northern Ireland is Irish.

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The ACP representative must correspond with the ACP only through the ACP individual responsible for the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux overseeing his geographical area.
Notes :
In the case of a geographical area utilizing multiple official languages, the ACP representative can name an assistant ACP representative of another official language and whose identity and language are mentioned in appendix 1 of this convention. The assistant ACP representative can be authorized to facilitate the exchanges of internal mail between the ACP individual responsible for the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux and the ACP representative. In all cases he must follow the opinion and instructions of the ACP representative. The identity and linguistic area of the representative ACP-assistant will be mentioned in the calendars of the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux and other flow charts. The ACP representative can at any time inform in writing the ACP individual responsible for the Brevets de Randonneurs Mondiaux of any changes on the subject..
In all the cases, the ACP individual responsible for must have only one contact .

https://www.audax.uk/media/1804/acp_convention_de_partenariat_uk_2015_anglais.pdf



Ulster is, of course, in both the UK, and the Republic.

If I was riding PBP, I'd be tempted by the Yorkshire National Park Jersey. The start/finish at the National Sheepfold calls out for an Ovine-based design. It would be easy to get a reference to PBP printed on it.



I'd even call the sheep motif 'Rambeau', which works as a pun on several levels: The poet, the film character, a reference to the Start/Finish, and the idea of a handsome sheep.

Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2019, 05:08:16 pm »
Audax seems to be like Rugby Union in Ireland, run by a single Irish body. There's a 600 out of Belfast on Saturday. https://www.audaxireland.org/events-calendar/gazetteer/600km-events/ulster-600/
So does that mean we should be audax GB and not audax UK, if audax Ireland also covers Ulster?

Northern Ireland is in principle covered by both AUK and Audax Ireland, though in practice most randonneurs there join and ride under the auspices of AI - last time I checked, there were maybe a dozen AUK members who gave addresses in NI.

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2019, 10:30:57 pm »

Ulster is, of course, in both the UK, and the Republic.

not exactly; none of Ulster is in both the UK and the Republic, the 6 counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone are in the UK, Donegal Cavan and Monaghan are in the Republic.

The St Patricks Saltire is sadly a bit unloved and isolated outside of the Union flag as it no longer represents any country or part thereof, Northern Ireland having its own (now obsolete)  flag which is not contained within the Union flag. Its presence in the Union flag has been reduced to a few diagonal wisps of red.

Jersey still use it as the main basis of their flag though (with Guernsey using a version based on the St George flag)

Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2019, 06:52:47 am »

Ulster is, of course, in both the UK, and the Republic.

not exactly; none of Ulster is in both the UK and the Republic, the 6 counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone are in the UK, Donegal Cavan and Monaghan are in the Republic.

The St Patricks Saltire is sadly a bit unloved and isolated outside of the Union flag as it no longer represents any country or part thereof, Northern Ireland having its own (now obsolete)  flag which is not contained within the Union flag. Its presence in the Union flag has been reduced to a few diagonal wisps of red.



There is an Ulster Flag, used by both the GAA and the Ulster Rugby Team, but as Ulster is not entirely within the UK, it's not appropriate for AUK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ulster



I'm attracted to the Yorkshire Dales jersey upthread partly because the Yorkshire Dales takes in parts of Lancashire and Cumbria, as well as part of Yorkshire. The Lancashire and Westmorland Hedgelaying Association has a competition in the Yorkshire Dales. Geography is separate from political boundaries.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/01/yorkshire-dales-expand-lancashire-national-parks-extension-leck-fell

Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2019, 09:14:20 am »



If I was riding PBP, I'd be tempted by the Yorkshire National Park Jersey. The start/finish at the National Sheepfold calls out for an Ovine-based design. It would be easy to get a reference to PBP printed on it.



I'd even call the sheep motif 'Rambeau', which works as a pun on several levels: The poet, the film character, a reference to the Start/Finish, and the idea of a handsome sheep.

Might just take you up on that ,Damon, but only if it guarantees a walk on part in the film. ;)

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #42 on: June 19, 2019, 03:32:34 pm »
Giving this a little bump as there are just two weeks and two days left to get your order in if you want to guarantee that you can wear the jersey on the ride...
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2019, 11:15:21 pm »
from force GB website

All orders will be collated and then manufactured with a view to posting out to riders and to arrive a week before the start of the event.

As such there is cut off date of 5th July for recipt of orders, in order to guarantee delivery before the event.

Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2019, 10:15:43 pm »
Couldn't decide on the colour so ordered one of each. I guess I could always swap one for another country. I rather like those Australian hallucination inducing jerseys.....

Zed43

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2019, 02:41:57 pm »
"The artwork that formed the basis for the PBP jersey is an authentic Indigenous design especially created for Audax Australia by Lani Balzan, a leading indigenous artist. Lani’s  original  artwork  represents  the  journey  the members  of the  Audax  Australia  Cycling  Club  will experience to participate..."
I just loved the design and story behind it. So my secondary objective for PBP was to swap jerseys with an Australian. Very pleased that this mission was also accomplished, I even got the right size  :) I do hope Brendan fits in my shirt, as the Dutch jersey appears to be much more "race cut" than the Australian one!

Did you get the chance to exchange jerseys?  And what where your favourite designs? I though the Indian one (gold elephants on blue) and Korean (classic coloured bands at the upper arms) were very nice too.

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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2019, 06:51:09 pm »
Not too many Aussies were wearing that jersey; quite a few wore older designs. If there needs to be an explanation of the design, it is too complex for tired PBPers to cope with.
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Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2019, 04:55:44 am »
I had a full explanation of it at the finish, provided by IIRC ,the lady president or chairperson of Audax Australia.
I was so tired that I forgot most of it except something about a long wiggly line representing the journey from Paris to Brest etc.
I also forgot to take a photo, which was why I asked the lady in the first place.


Re: PBP Jersey Designs.
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2019, 01:32:14 pm »
I'd really like a Japanese style reflective.
I hope a bit of googling will find an online shop