Author Topic: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people  (Read 1462 times)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/car-crash-enfield-m25-jill-higgins-trial-old-bailey-death-dangerous-driving-a9020156.html

Just in case you ever wondered how accepting we are as a society of the risks of piloting a lethal weapon.

More background here https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/24/councillor-killed-driver-100mph-rush-home-deliver-message-god-10452901/ which seems to show that she was having a psychotic episode, but why can't we read anywhere that she has given up her license/had it taken away for ever ?

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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2019, 09:57:45 am »
Well, it's certainly fortunate that she got better soon after the incident.

Perhaps we shouldn't sell huge, overpowered cars capable of going so significantly over the speed limit.
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 10:44:42 am »
I'm not surprised she was 'rather traumatised' by the incident. I would be too, faced with a potential prison sentence. No, hang on. She's a car driver. What on earth are you thinking!!?? No case to answer.
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2019, 01:02:35 pm »
Sectionné in French means cut right through. Chippy-chippy-chopper on a big black block, bibi head, bibi head problems.
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2019, 01:07:48 pm »
To be fair, in this case, it seems she was genuinely having an episode (unlike all those people who have the one blackout, convulsion, etc and then miraculously recover).

I do wonder though if she's back behind the wheel...
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2019, 02:16:30 pm »
Anyone who ends up sectioned because they are unable to control their own behaviour deserves sympathy. It seems that it's also a reasonable defence in law. However, one would hope that her driving license has been surrendered or removed until it can be demonstrated that she is unlikely to experience another such episode, and if her symptoms are being controlled by drugs, then permanently (the only people I have known who have had mania had a tendency to pronounce themselves healed and come off the drugs, resulting in another episode). Whether removal of a driving license would actually make any difference to someone who is manic is another matter altogether (though I guess it might mean that they aren't in possession of car keys at the crucial point).

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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2019, 11:05:51 am »
I had a colleague who had his license revoked because he was diagnosed with epilepsy.  You can drive if you are epileptic, but you need to go a number of years without a fit.
So there is a mechanism for this - it just needs to be enforced.
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2019, 12:42:51 pm »
I had a colleague who had his license revoked because he was diagnosed with epilepsy.  You can drive if you are epileptic, but you need to go a number of years without a fit.
So there is a mechanism for this - it just needs to be enforced.

One of the neighbours of Fort Larrington had his licence pulled for just this, after burying his Ford Grandad deep into the woods of Leafy Surrey.  That it was a Mk.1 Grandad shows how long ago it was, mind.
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2019, 05:11:33 pm »
You can get it revoked for Type 1 diabetes if the quack thinks there's a risk of you keeling over.

Chum was threatened with it after laughing in the face of a sleep specialist who thought that 20 km was a long bike-ride.
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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2019, 10:00:49 pm »
I had a colleague who had his license revoked because he was diagnosed with epilepsy.  You can drive if you are epileptic, but you need to go a number of years without a fit.
So there is a mechanism for this - it just needs to be enforced.

Before I was diagnosed with epilepsy I had a seizure which resulted in a loss of licence for 3 years (I had already stopped driving anyway). That type of seizure was a one-off, the sort that I suffered from require six months from the date of last seizure, or six months seizure free if I change my medication.

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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2019, 04:59:51 pm »
You can get it revoked for Type 1 diabetes if the quack thinks there's a risk of you keeling over.

Chum was threatened with it after laughing in the face of a sleep specialist who thought that 20 km was a long bike-ride.

If you go on insulin you lose your licence, then have to re apply.  You will also lose commercial licences too.

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Re: Mad in charge of a car? Well, that's a shame if you kill people
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2019, 05:01:06 pm »
Wrong place at the wrong time?