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Hot Foot - getting worse
« on: August 05, 2019, 06:07:56 am »
Two weeks ago I cycled two 600km rides separated by a 2 day break with a small amount of riding. On the first 600km ride my feet were fine until the last 60km which had some serious (for me) climbing and the temperature rose to 33 Deg C, I then started to suffer with hot foot requiring a stop every hr or so to relive the pain by walking about with a pair of sandals on rather than my cycling shoes.

The two day interlude was fine, but on the return 600km ride the hot foot came back after only a couple of hundred km and gradually got worse requiring many stops as I was unable to put any pressure on the pedals.

Over the past two weeks I have ridden a few 40 mile routes with just a very small feeling of pain, however yesterday I rode a 100miler and for the last lumpy 30 miles I was in agony, even now 12hrs later my right foot has a slight pain just sitting still.

I have PBP coming up later this month and I'm starting to worry that re-occurrence there which with the hills looks probable may well be a show stopper.

I ride with my cleats as near to the heel as possible, this way for many years, I ride with Look Keo cleats which are about as large as possible and a very stiff soled shoe.

I'm beginning to look at metatarsal supports/cushion pads and was wondering if anybody else has used them and to what degree of effectiveness, or indeed anything else that has helped.

Ian

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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2019, 07:06:21 am »
See a sports podiatrist if you want a chance to sort this before PBP. Hotfoot is mostly a nerve problem, often exacerbated by too-narrow shoes, particularly if your feet swell in heat and over time. Orthotics usually help, particularly custom orthotics, but that takes time and trial and error. Most cycling shoes don’t have enough room to fit shaped insoles and you don’t have much time to experiment.

The traditional get-to-PBP-finish solution is folded paper napkins in the shoes but you need enough room in the shoes to fit them. I buy my shoes to fit well with thicker socks, rather than super-thin cycling socks.
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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2019, 08:08:03 am »
I would agree with LWAB. I think it is often a slightly tight forefoot which causes the nerves to be irritated.
Frankie mentioned some interesting flat pedals with a very large surface area.

I have cured it in the past by taking out the insole to give more room.
I now buy shoes deliberately wide in the forefoot.

Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2019, 08:30:23 am »
Its a few years back since i had this sort of issue, but loosening the lacing at the front of the shoe helped me - which fits the "too tight" replies above. Heat and repeated pressure (not as much as running, but still) are likely to lead to swelling or spreading. I've always used shoes with actual laces, I'm not sure how well that translates to other fastenings.


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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2019, 08:43:18 am »
I have high arches and used to suffer badly from hotfoot. After a bit of research I fitted some Specialized footbed insoles and that cured the problem instantly and permanently.

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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2019, 09:18:24 am »
I resolved my last foot related problems with pedal extenders. My feet were being forced too close together, which was placing undue stress on the outside of my feet. Have since done a 300 and a 600 without problems.
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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2019, 09:25:35 am »
I had hot foot for some time some years ago. The answer, for me, turned out to be very simple - getting bigger shoes.
I knew my shoe size, I’d ridden the same size of cycling and street shoes for years. I had several beautiful pairs of expensive Carnac shoes ( through knowing “ someone “). Therefore I was loath to change.
However, I also found that when buying smart shoes to walk around in when working, the manufacturers were clearly making them smaller.
Once it dawned that my feet were getting bigger, and bit the bullet, everything changed. I went from 42 (8) to 43, even 44. I now ride Shimano 43wide cycling shoes with Superfeet footbeds, even 44 in some cases. “ Posh” shoes 9.
Interestingly, talking to others, most people report their feet getting bigger as they aged.
I tried on a pair of my Pete “ perfect” Salisbury racing shoes from my 20’s the other day - no chance of even getting my foot in!

Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2019, 10:04:16 am »
Agree with above.  You need big shoes. 
I always buy cycling shoes 2-3 sizes up. 
At the first sign of hot foot I loosen off the laces, velcro or whatever.  Relief can be pretty quick if you can ease whatever is squeezing the nerve.

Other thing to think about is some kind of insole. I think the Specialized ones go on about metatarsal button, designed to stretch out the bit of the foot where the nerve would likely get squeezed. 

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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2019, 01:27:07 pm »
Carnac shoes used to be great - wider fitting and a bit flexible. Shame they went belly up.  Nowadays I'm using Mavics, but I had to go up a size to get the width so when I walk they try to pull my socks off.
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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2019, 01:53:55 pm »
I'm using some Luck MTB shoes I got off Planet X for £40 which are nice and wide. They still do a Luck shoe but the exact one I got is all sold out. I think they must have cleared out some luckless retailer who couldn't shift them.

It's basically https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/SHLUCKSPD/luck-spider-mtb-shoes but with velcro and a composite sole instead of full carbon.
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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2019, 05:23:17 pm »
Lake have wide fittings and a good measurement system but are eyewateringly expensive

Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2019, 06:32:42 am »
Thanks all, I'm reluctant to buy a new pair of shoes at this late stage as I have precious little time to bed them in and they may create more problems, and seeing a specialist is not possible due to work committments. However, I'm formulating a plan  :facepalm:

Buy some Specialized blue inserts for my shoes, shaping them to fit the perimeter outline of my shoes.

Ensure I ride from the start with loose straps at the front.

When I stop at controls take shoes off (was going to do that anyway)

Take some yoga mat foam, scissors and tape with me so I can fashion further inserts if needed.

The final one and more radical is to perforate my shoes to increase airflow in an attempt to reduce heat induced swelling.

Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2019, 12:47:55 pm »
Taking your socks off another coping strategy (which I did for last 160km of a 400 in June).  Take a few plasters.

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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2019, 10:42:52 am »
Thanks for the above.  I've had occasional hot foot problems.  I do tend to lace shoes tight but that's a legacy of having narrow feet (A width fitting) and having problems because every shoe in a shoe shop is too wide for me.  So will try the advice of loosening the front straps on my new shoes.

Getting bigger shoes doesn't help.  There's precious few made above EU size 48/49 and I hate to think what a custom built cycling shoe would cost if you could find someone that made them.
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Re: Hot Foot - getting worse
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2019, 03:48:11 pm »
I have one foot a full half size bigger than the other. So when I got shoes that fitted my bigger foot the smaller one floated. I then got pads off amazon which I have attached to the inside of the shoe to pad it to the correct size.