Author Topic: Controls + Distances  (Read 6532 times)

Zed43

  • prefers UK hills over Dutch mountains
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2019, 03:28:44 pm »
No harm done, I have a thick skin. Currently very red skin, forgot to apply sunscreen this morning
Currently residing at randonneurs.nl HQ at the camping near Loudeac (spotted the ACME camper as well). Good food, shower, now a nap I think. Arrived with almost 10 hours in hand, but if I arrive on Wednesday I have no place to sleep, so just a relaxed ride back for me. Otherwise I would have pushed for a fast ride back bouncing the controls.

The people cheering you on front the street ar 4am is just an amazing experience, but for all other aspects give me LEL anyway.

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2019, 03:56:23 pm »
I am surprised to hear that the weather might be slowing things; looking at La Chaîne Meteo on the telly I was thinking it looked to be quite good for riding. Just shows what goes on the road can be a bit different to your expectations sitting on the sofa.

Top ride for that velomobile - someone hire him for Battlemountain?

T42

  • Tea tank
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2019, 04:46:05 pm »
On the Earth Wind Map site you can roll the weather back and see what it was like

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2019/08/18/1800Z/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-12.38,49.18,3000/loc=-1.592,48.086

If you click on "Earth" you get a bunch of parameters to play with.  I've found that gust speed is usually the value at 1000 or even 850 hPa.
I've dusted all those old bottles and set them up straight.

Martin

  • Give me bas relief
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Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2019, 05:46:32 pm »
How do the control times for 84hr riders work? do you have to reach Brest in the 90hr 42 hrs or the 84hr?

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2019, 05:48:09 pm »
And the first riders are back in Paris, fastest time I can spot is 44h47 by Robert Coquen. That would be the slowest "winner" since 1971. Or am I missing someone?

One of those toasted-torpedo things A velomobile did it in 43h49:47

A velomobile doesn't count. They always tell you have comfortable those things are, but they don't seem to understand that suffering is an essential part of cycling :P

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2019, 05:50:00 pm »
No harm done, I have a thick skin. Currently very red skin, forgot to apply sunscreen this morning
Currently residing at randonneurs.nl HQ at the camping near Loudeac (spotted the ACME camper as well). Good food, shower, now a nap I think. Arrived with almost 10 hours in hand, but if I arrive on Wednesday I have no place to sleep, so just a relaxed ride back for me. Otherwise I would have pushed for a fast ride back bouncing the controls.

The people cheering you on front the street ar 4am is just an amazing experience, but for all other aspects give me LEL anyway.

Good to hear that you're cruising back to Paris. Since you're in Loudueac: Any news on Ivo?

dod

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2019, 06:27:53 pm »
Ivo has been posting on the PBP Facebook group - he packed (at Loudeac I think) and is on a train back to Paris along with lots of others who abandoned.

Martin

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Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2019, 07:37:02 pm »
I have been following a few people who i know usually complete 400/600km well within time, and i would consider them stronger riders than myself.
But i see that many are on 39+ hrs at Brest, some will even be over the 40hrs.  Is there something about this event that make it extra hard ? Do people faff around too much at the controls... perhaps brutal head winds ?
A big difference to 4/6 is that riders are out 4 nights not 1 so all the 90hr riders will have gone through 2
nights when they reach Brest. Most will have tried to sleep at Loudieac or beyond so those 42 hours soon go. There is more faff compared to UK events, the brevet control is not next to the food stop at any controls, and the queues for (not very good)food can be quite long so you end up finding somewhere else. Then you get these kids who sit out in their front gardens all day and night handing out free stuff which is hard to resist!

and it gets hilly!

I really enjoyed it after the second stop at Loudieac as I'd broken the back of the ride. It all went pear shaped for me at 1000k just when everyone else was beginning to enjoy it

quixoticgeek

  • Mostly Harmless
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2019, 08:24:24 pm »

Darren Franks seems to have gone off route in the final 100km or so.

Either that, or the route loaded in isn't the correct route:

http://pbp-2019.legendstracking.com/#

The official tracker has him as having past the last control... he just needs to finish.

J
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Redlight

  • Enjoying life in the slow lane
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2019, 08:29:12 pm »
Looks like the route may have been changed from whichever one was used to create the dot watching site. In past years we've used main roads (with escorts) for the first part of the ride but sometimes returned on quieter roads, which are safer for tired riders.
Between the Disney abattoir and the chemical refinery

Jack_P

  • It's just dicking about on bikes
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Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2019, 08:39:11 pm »
Marko Baloh at 44:48:47 (tracker time) with 2 others is what I heard about first finishers, all third hand though.

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2019, 08:44:50 pm »
Darren Franks seems to have gone off route in the final 100km or so.

Looks like he's following the proper route (which was changed with a day or so to go). From the other thread:-

They just changed the return route after Dreux because of road works at Marsauceux:

https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67966825_10156914349113780_8061419813752274944_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmvc8CPhCCNuO4OpzkalPuu1n3ExEjmVnH0r5RP4UqBLRg3Z5shN6Vnl2YR6KKnGQU&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=0bb9bf1b19eec3a11df6c3050d5314f5&oe=5DD005AE

https://www.openrunner.com/r/9220697

As Redlight says, that legendstracking site doesn't have the updated route.
"Yes please" said Squirrel "biscuits are our favourite things."

quixoticgeek

  • Mostly Harmless
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2019, 08:47:28 pm »

Phew. Thanks for the info

J
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http://b.42q.eu/

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2019, 09:49:07 pm »
Marko Baloh at 44:48:47 (tracker time) with 2 others is what I heard about first finishers, all third hand though.

He is a machine and he’s over 50! Insane rider...his RAAM exploits are legendary...

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2019, 11:41:36 pm »
So... we have 42 hours out and 48 hours back. Can someone whose brain is still workable figure out where the extra 6 are distributed?

dod

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2019, 11:56:26 pm »
So... we have 42 hours out and 48 hours back. Can someone whose brain is still workable figure out where the extra 6 are distributed?

Extra 6? The time limits are 84 hours for the fast guys and 90 (42+48) for the rest.

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2019, 12:56:43 am »
So... we have 42 hours out and 48 hours back. Can someone whose brain is still workable figure out where the extra 6 are distributed?

You can't work it out. At least the details of how it is worked out are not written down anywhere.

If you can find a scan of someone's Brevet card then you'll be able to work it out from there.

Here's one from 2015: https://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c204/cvserina/88_zpsh5dm56ly.jpg but, of course, the times/distances will be different in 2019.

Finding mine from 2011 (can't be 100% accurate with these as photos are blurred or timestamps obscured by stamps):

Start 0km 21/8 18:00
Mortagne 140km 21/8 22:27 au 22/8 03:20
Villaines-La-Juhel 221km 22/8 0:52 au 22/8 08:44
Fougeres 310km 22/8 3:57 au 22/8 14:40
Tinteniac 364km 22/8 5:45 au 22/8 18:38
Loudeac 449km 22/8 8:49 au 23/8 01:08
St Nicolas Du Pelem 493km 22/8 10:23 au 23:08 04:31
Carhaix-Plouguer 525km 22/8 11:32 au 23/8 06:59
Brest 618km 22/8 15:08 au 23/8 13:19
Carhaix-Plouguer 703km 22/8 18:24 au 23/8 19:51
St-N-d-P 736km 22/8 19:47 au 23/8 22:24
Loudeac 782km 22/8 21:42 au 24/8 01:56
Quedillac 841km 23/8 00:23 au 24/8 06:37
Tinteniac 867km 23/8 01:34 au 24/8 08:47
Fougeres 921km 23/8 04:01 au 24/8 13:04
Villaines-La-Juhel 1009km 23/8 08:01 au 24/8 20:12
Mortagne-Au-Perche 1090km 23/8 12:00 au 25/8 01:56
Dreux 1165km 23/8 1645 au 25/8 07:12
Finish 1230km 23/8 19:00 au 25/8 12:00
"Yes please" said Squirrel "biscuits are our favourite things."

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2019, 01:22:48 am »
So in 2011 it was 43h19 to Brest and 46h41h home.

The first 300km was at 15kph minimum (Fougeres was 310km at exactly 20h40m) but then it is seemingly random. The average speeds for subsequent sections are all over the place:-

15.00, 15.00, 15.00, 13.58, 13.04, 13.00, 12.96, 14.67, 13.00, 12.92, 13.00, 12.58, 12.00, 12.58, 12.33, 14.13, 14.21, 13.54
"Yes please" said Squirrel "biscuits are our favourite things."

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2019, 01:51:01 am »
Just to be clear I’m riding the 90 right now and am trapped on a bicycle for the next 30 or so hours.

After various mishaps on the first half I’m up against control closing times. I was hoping it might get easier in the second half...

2019 control closing times are in the participants dossier. If someone wants to work out current minimum speeds.

Thanks.

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2019, 03:29:01 am »
I haven't seen any mention of secret controls?

Zed43

  • prefers UK hills over Dutch mountains
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2019, 03:34:43 am »
Well, I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you

Rest assured, they're real and impossible to miss.


Now at Fougeres where it is pleasantly warm in the control hall and they have tasty croissants. I'll lay down here to make further travel safer and wait for the cold outside to dissipate.

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2019, 08:26:49 am »
Just to be clear I’m riding the 90 right now and am trapped on a bicycle for the next 30 or so hours.

After various mishaps on the first half I’m up against control closing times. I was hoping it might get easier in the second half...

2019 control closing times are in the participants dossier. If someone wants to work out current minimum speeds.

Thanks.

According to the tracker you checked in at Tinteniac with 3 mins to spare ...

I have had a go for you - hope its correct.
The dossier is based on 17.15 departure times for 90hrs - i see that you were 17.45 so i have added 30min to the times listed....
Below times are the closing times - stay above 13.5 and you will be fine (easier said than done i assume)

TINTENIAC   869                 07.17
FOUGERES    923                11.26  (54km)  13.17kmh
VILLAINES   1012                18.31  (89km)  12.41kmh
MORT. AU PERCHE  1097       01.33  (85km) 12.23kmh
DREUX   1174                     08.01  (77km)  11.9kmh
RAMBOUILLET   1219           11.45  (45km)  12.05kmh

Good luck ...
Regards,

Alan

Redlight

  • Enjoying life in the slow lane
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2019, 08:33:18 am »
Well, I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you

Rest assured, they're real and impossible to miss.


Isn't the secret control always in the same place?
Between the Disney abattoir and the chemical refinery

Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2019, 08:57:35 am »
Isn't the secret control always in the same place?

No. There were two in 2011 (Quedillac on the way out, Illifaut on the way back).

2015 used St Nicholas Du Pelem as a secret control I believe. https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=112973.0

Haven't bothered trawling twitter to work out where they are this year.

[EDIT] Looks like StNdP again on the way out: https://twitter.com/mealybar/status/1163464441595334659
"Yes please" said Squirrel "biscuits are our favourite things."

Cudzoziemiec

  • Dormant but requires tea
Re: Controls + Distances
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2019, 09:04:47 am »
Most will have tried to sleep at Loudieac or beyond so
Grant Farm (I think that's his YACF moniker) has finished in 52 hours with no sleep at all!  :o Last seen trying to remember his name to check in to the hotel he'd booked at the end – possibly now sleeping standing up at reception!
The unwilling rider and the one who leaves each control in turn without reluctance, with no desire to come back, obviously cannot be making the same journey, even though their brevets are identical.