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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #150 on: August 27, 2019, 09:23:02 pm »
Here is my story of my first PBP completed in 46h56. In total I stopped for 2.5hrs in total (44h30 riding time), no sleep, so around 10min per control point. This plus riding in a group, getting some food/drinks from other people's support crew only at control points from a bit before Brest explain the relatively fast time.
Being French but leaving in the UK since 2017, sorry in advance for my English!
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The start at 4pm feels like a big relief. No more waiting for bike check, unclear sign on where the start is, etc. My plan is not to have any but try to stay in a group. Pace at the start is OK, obviously everyone was a bit nervous with the cross wind. I take the opportunity in the first 2 hrs to talk to people with experience about how the control points and food/drink work. But we pass the first drink station which was not a control after 110k and I miss the drink but asks someone on the side of the road and am quickly back in action. I am now in a group of around 10 until the first control point (around 210k). It is getting dark, one German guy screams about my fixed rear light being too bright. No worries I have another one less bright, but ask him to be a bit polite, your are way too nervous Sir! We reach the first official control point. Nice atmosphere with the speaker, a lot of people cheering despite the night! I grab an apple pie and water and leave. I am then riding with a guy from the B group who left 15min after me, he is pretty excited to catch the front... I find out his name is Michel Mingant and it is his 9th PBP at 60! He is super strong. After a bit we are now with a group of 15 from A-B-C group and notice I am the only one with a big saddle bag, they all have outside support at control points. I lose time at every control points but try to stay with them. control 2: water and 2 croissants (I like croissant but as energy supply not so much...). Control 3: water and I buy some Overstims bars which took for every and were much more expensive than the 1E croissant. oh well.... I also have some stock but they get empty I still feel I need more food to continue at this pace! We get close to Loudeac km445 and tell the guys I will have to stop longer next, but one guy Denis Moran offers his team to support me as well since one of his teammate had to abandon earlier. A process is put in place with our group of around 10: 5 min stops at control, re-group at the town exit (all had support teams at controls) and keep going. We reach Brest after 21.5 hrs riding through the first night, the pace is still excellent. The experienced riders are really nice and help me a lot. Denis' support team is so nice with me at the control points, I feel bad to eat their food but they tell me not to worry. On the way back the pace slows down despite slightly better wind conditions, everybody starts to feel tired as we get in the 2nd night with no sleep. We start to see waves of riders on their way to Brest. I feel bad for them! Some congratulate us, some wonder why we are coming the opposite way :-). I see riders in the fields catching some sleep. Some facing major mechanical with almost the entire bike in pieces! I still do some work upfront but am definitively not the strongest in the group. We stop a bit longer at controls but still around 15-20min max. It gets cold and I only have a thin wind jacket while others put let warmers, hats, winter jacket, etc. Well I trained in the UK so think I will be OK and it reminds me of the 400 BRM Paddington express night which was also very cold, but this is night 2. Everybody is struggling but we keep going, we catch some riders who struggle to stay with the group. We get to one ride that I meet and discover a fellow AUK rider Zigzag. He rides very strong but he feels he is falling asleep. To be safe with us, he rides in the back but unfortunately eventually had to stop for a sleep. The control point routine continues. It is down to 5c that night. I start to struggle, and despite talking to my "companions", I do not feel great. I do more work upfront, being "in charge" of checking the signs and pedaling a bit harder keeps me better awake. I can tell some still want to catch the first riders, I would not care less and happy with the planned ETA, anyway everybody is getting tired. The sun finally comes out but takes so long to warm us up. Surprisingly at around 150-200km to go our group face issues, around 5 have various problems (a few are falling sleep, one is facing neck issue and almost hit a truck coming the opposite way, Michel is unfortunately not straight on his bike anymore and struggles to keep it upright, 2 crashes at a stop but no damage, etc.), we are really struggling on the leg to Dreux and have to stop several times or slowdown to keep the group together. We split at the Dreux control point and the 5 of us continue to the end. 40k to go! 3 have a lot of power left and push at 35-40k/hr, I can follow but not get upfront anymore! We know around 3 riders are ahead by 2hrs, we just ride to finish. I pass the finish line after 46h56, I let my team mates finish first as a Rookie Gentleman. A French journalist wants to interview me, well tough for me to say anything smart especially after 2 nights with no sleep! A small video got published by France 3 :-). Now the family duty calls, son wants to be with dad! He is used to watching me doing some Cx races, but not leave for events that long! Time to go home. What an incredible experience! Denis Moran's help and support team at controls made the difference to reach this time. On top of my repair kit and food which all got eaten on the way to Brest, I still carried around 1kg for nothing (spare bib, tooth brush/paste, a lot of battery packs, spare brake pads, etc.), but should have put some leg warmers in the bag!
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It is nice reading your stories and there are some many ways to ride PBP that I understand why people do it every 4 years!
Claude

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #151 on: August 27, 2019, 09:42:53 pm »
21 pain au chocolate, 6 bananas, 1 rice pudding, 1 carbonara, 1 bolognaise, 1 pasta with chicken Breast, 1 pate baguette, 3 ham baguettes, 2 gels.


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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #152 on: August 28, 2019, 08:12:13 am »
Here is my story of my first PBP completed in 46h56. In total I stopped for 2.5hrs in total (44h30 riding time), no sleep, so around 10min per control point. This plus riding in a group, getting some food/drinks from other people's support crew only at control points from a bit before Brest explain the relatively fast time.
Being French but leaving in the UK since 2017, sorry in advance for my English!

No problem.

It is getting dark, one German guy screams about my fixed rear light being too bright. No worries I have another one less bright, but ask him to be a bit polite, your are way too nervous Sir!

You communicate very well.  :)

Chapeau Claude, extraordinary ride. Reading these kind of accounts is akin to reading something from a different universe. It's mind boggling to understand how you lot can keep going for so long without sleep  - although sleep is forever hammering on the door! Nice to see the human side of Zigzag being exposed too :)
Interesting to see Michel Mingant finished in 49hrs. That's inspiring for those of us knocking on a bit.
Well done. Amazing stuff.
Garry Broad

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #153 on: August 28, 2019, 10:14:00 am »
I would like to think you'd get mitigation for some of those  :)

I've applied for extra time but if I've asked the right people in the right way who knows?
The mystery of PBP will work itself out

Let's hope your request is viewed sympathetically. I was following you on the tracker and wondered why your 'pace' had suddenly trailed off. On Thursday I was checking in about every 15 minutes to see if you were going to make it!

ISTR that jsabine had a similar experience, helping another rider, in 2015 and was given appropriate latitude.  Good luck.

Indeed - I got two hours knocked off, having spent them waiting for a controller to arrive to assist a French rider who was by the roadside, sans vélo, somewhere between Mortagne and Dreux.

I did get that signed off in my brevet card by the roadside though - hope whoever you spoke to has the power to get appropriate adjustments made.

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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #154 on: August 28, 2019, 10:48:02 am »

Indeed - I got two hours knocked off, having spent them waiting for a controller to arrive to assist a French rider who was by the roadside, sans vélo, somewhere between Mortagne and Dreux.

I did get that signed off in my brevet card by the roadside though - hope whoever you spoke to has the power to get appropriate adjustments made.

Yeah although I went to to the Fougeres control to check on the crashed rider no one signed anything at the time.  The control people didn't think of it and neither did I.  The bike was picked up etc so the incident is recorded in some way.  I've emailed Thiery Rivet (apparently the right person) but whether it will work out ok, who knows?  I emailed in English, which won't help :)

TBH as a 2x Ancien helping people is more important than homogulation so it's not the "oh you must be gutted" that other people are saying to me
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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #155 on: August 28, 2019, 10:53:40 am »
Here is my story of my first PBP completed in 46h56. .... What an incredible experience! ....
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It is nice reading your stories and there are some many ways to ride PBP that I understand why people do it every 4 years!
Claude

great write up and very athletic performance!
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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #156 on: August 28, 2019, 01:24:51 pm »
1,211km in 71:56:03
52:33:27 moving
15:12:30 stopped with 6:30 ‘sleeping’ (5:00 at ~606km /1:30 @ ~1012km) and 9:28:39 at controls (mostly eating)
1589 tss
11,302m climbing
26,044 kJ
15 sandwiches
19 pastries
18 coffees
4 pro plus
6 ibroufen
4 bananas
3 gels
2 apples
2 crepe

Nice ride, scenery was a bit samey for the first/last 550km.
Finish was tedious / dangerous.
Support was amazing.

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #157 on: August 31, 2019, 03:15:49 pm »

Indeed - I got two hours knocked off, having spent them waiting for a controller to arrive to assist a French rider who was by the roadside, sans vélo, somewhere between Mortagne and Dreux.

I did get that signed off in my brevet card by the roadside though - hope whoever you spoke to has the power to get appropriate adjustments made.

Yeah although I went to to the Fougeres control to check on the crashed rider no one signed anything at the time.  The control people didn't think of it and neither did I.  The bike was picked up etc so the incident is recorded in some way.  I've emailed Thiery Rivet (apparently the right person) but whether it will work out ok, who knows?  I emailed in English, which won't help :)

TBH as a 2x Ancien helping people is more important than homogulation so it's not the "oh you must be gutted" that other people are saying to me

Thierry speaks enough English to handle emails in English.

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #158 on: August 31, 2019, 06:10:23 pm »
Yes , but vorsprung is from DEVON- a very odd type of english. Is spoken .  Even the English  don't really understand it.  :demon:

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #159 on: August 31, 2019, 08:26:03 pm »
Yeah, but the accent doesn't come through on emails. He'll be right.

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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #160 on: August 31, 2019, 08:58:45 pm »
Yes , but vorsprung is from DEVON- a very odd type of english. Is spoken .  Even the English  don't really understand it.  :demon:

When I moved to Devon 25 years ago I was baffled by Uncle Michaels way of speaking.  All I could make out was the odd swear word.  When I mentioned it, I was told "oh noone understands him"
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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #161 on: September 06, 2019, 05:05:26 pm »

Indeed - I got two hours knocked off, having spent them waiting for a controller to arrive to assist a French rider who was by the roadside, sans vélo, somewhere between Mortagne and Dreux.

I did get that signed off in my brevet card by the roadside though - hope whoever you spoke to has the power to get appropriate adjustments made.

Yeah although I went to to the Fougeres control to check on the crashed rider no one signed anything at the time.  The control people didn't think of it and neither did I.  The bike was picked up etc so the incident is recorded in some way.  I've emailed Thiery Rivet (apparently the right person) but whether it will work out ok, who knows?  I emailed in English, which won't help :)

TBH as a 2x Ancien helping people is more important than homogulation so it's not the "oh you must be gutted" that other people are saying to me

Thierry speaks enough English to handle emails in English.

Email back from ACP today
Quote
Hi
Good news, we took in account your request and you will be finisher with the time of 90 hours.
Regards
Thierry Rivet

Which is cool
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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #162 on: September 06, 2019, 05:25:21 pm »

Indeed - I got two hours knocked off, having spent them waiting for a controller to arrive to assist a French rider who was by the roadside, sans vélo, somewhere between Mortagne and Dreux.

I did get that signed off in my brevet card by the roadside though - hope whoever you spoke to has the power to get appropriate adjustments made.

Yeah although I went to to the Fougeres control to check on the crashed rider no one signed anything at the time.  The control people didn't think of it and neither did I.  The bike was picked up etc so the incident is recorded in some way.  I've emailed Thiery Rivet (apparently the right person) but whether it will work out ok, who knows?  I emailed in English, which won't help :)

TBH as a 2x Ancien helping people is more important than homogulation so it's not the "oh you must be gutted" that other people are saying to me

Thierry speaks enough English to handle emails in English.

Email back from ACP today
Quote
Hi
Good news, we took in account your request and you will be finisher with the time of 90 hours.
Regards
Thierry Rivet

Which is cool

That's fair.

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #163 on: September 06, 2019, 06:50:47 pm »
Well done Vorsprung - for stopping twice to help, and for getting a fair result from ACP.

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #164 on: September 06, 2019, 08:06:01 pm »
It looks like the ACP is now batch handling the requests for extra time due to assisting other riders. A Dutch rider reported to me today that he also had his finish time corrected.

Re: yacf riders
« Reply #165 on: September 07, 2019, 07:21:58 pm »
At some stage would you like me to feed back your issues to the organisers?

Have had a good chat with the president of the Rambouillet cycling club, he is a really nice.  So can feedback your thoughts to him.

My take:
I thought the finish was unnecessarily chaotic. I came in around 1300 and there were hundreds of oblivious people walking, riding, and driving on the road to the finish before and during the cobblestones. The gravel/cobble stretch to the timer seemed confusing and potentially dangerous for exhausted riders. I would recommend at least putting the timer at the finish kite. The trip to bike storage and to the tent was also very crowded and slow and prominent signs would have helped. Overall, not circling around in the Bergerie would have greatly simplified the whole process and putting up something like cones and caution tape to separate the finishers from the crowd on the road up from the park entrance would have helped as well.

I didn't like he ride into SQY either but I thought the finish layout in 2011 was much better and more obvious than either 2015 or 2019.

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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #166 on: September 09, 2019, 08:37:39 am »
At some stage would you like me to feed back your issues to the organisers?

Have had a good chat with the president of the Rambouillet cycling club, he is a really nice.  So can feedback your thoughts to him.

My take:
I thought the finish was unnecessarily chaotic. I came in around 1300 and there were hundreds of oblivious people walking, riding, and driving on the road to the finish before and during the cobblestones. The gravel/cobble stretch to the timer seemed confusing and potentially dangerous for exhausted riders. I would recommend at least putting the timer at the finish kite. The trip to bike storage and to the tent was also very crowded and slow and prominent signs would have helped. Overall, not circling around in the Bergerie would have greatly simplified the whole process and putting up something like cones and caution tape to separate the finishers from the crowd on the road up from the park entrance would have helped as well.

I didn't like he ride into SQY either but I thought the finish layout in 2011 was much better and more obvious than either 2015 or 2019.

The finish was chaotic but I would guess if they ran it again with the same layout it could work better as the crowds would know to keep out of the way of incoming riders
Or maybe they could hire more barriers
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Re: yacf riders
« Reply #167 on: September 14, 2019, 11:15:57 am »

Email back from ACP today
"Hi
Good news, we took in account your request and you will be finisher with the time of 90 hours.
Regards
Thierry Rivet"

Which is cool

Great!