Author Topic: Southend to Melbourne without flying...  (Read 3370 times)

Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #100 on: October 13, 2019, 09:02:26 pm »
To quote of the of the planet destroyers, ...

Every little helps.

If we adopt a defeatist attitude and just roll over we are no better than Trump or Johnson, ...

I've finally gone vegetarian inspired in part by Greta and her can do attitude but also in part by becoming properly aware of the damage done in meat production, especially beef.

We don't have a car, we don't fly.  We buy our gas and electricity from apparently renewable suppliers.  We don't just 'shop', we've been working to better insulate the house over the past few years and we've been shopping fair trade and organic for many years.  Yet, here I am unnecessarily burning fuel in making this post.

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #101 on: October 13, 2019, 10:02:57 pm »
I’m in no doubt that climate change is a thing and radical action needs to happen now. Greta and XR etc are 100% correct.  But we need governments across the world to pass legislation which will bring about the required changes assuming it isn’t too late already. Unfortunately I can’t see governments passing the required legislation because they don’t have the mandate from we the voters, nor will they have until the world is on the absolute brink of collapse, by which time it will probably be too late.

So Wow might as well buy some plane tickets.

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2019, 09:24:25 am »
To be honest though, while people may indeed support the necessary changes in principle if the inconvenience becomes more than abandoning plastic straws, they're unlikely to vote for it. And with increasingly populist governments that's going to be a problem. You can't remove a single parking space these days without umpteen years of consultation and objection.
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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2019, 09:32:21 am »
To be honest though, while people may indeed support the necessary changes in principle if the inconvenience becomes more than abandoning plastic straws, they're unlikely to vote for it. And with increasingly populist governments that's going to be a problem. You can't remove a single parking space these days without umpteen years of consultation and objection.

My point exactly.

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2019, 09:41:32 am »
The Monbiot piece I referred to above is here:

https://www.monbiot.com/2019/10/11/oil-strike/

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But the biggest and most successful lie it tells is this: that the First Great Extermination is a matter of consumer choice. In response to the Guardian’s questions, some of the oil companies argued that they are not responsible for our decisions to use their products. But we are embedded in a system of their creation, a political, economic and physical infrastructure that creates an illusion of choice while, in reality, closing it down.

We are guided by an ideology so familiar and pervasive that we do not even recognise it as an ideology. It is called consumerism. It has been crafted with the help of skilful advertisers and marketers, by corporate celebrity culture, and by a media that casts us as the recipients of goods and services rather than the creators of political reality. It is locked in by transport, town planning and energy systems that make good choices all but impossible. It spreads like a stain through political systems, which have been systematically captured by lobbying and campaign finance, until political leaders cease to represent us, and work instead for the pollutocrats who fund them.

Within such a system, individual choices are lost in the noise. Attempts to organise boycotts are notoriously difficult, and tend to work only when there is a narrow and immediate aim. The ideology of consumerism is highly effective at shifting blame: witness the current ranting in the billionaire press about the alleged hypocrisy of environmental activists. Everywhere I see rich Westerners blaming planetary destruction on the birth rates of much poorer people, or on “the Chinese”. This individuation of responsibility, intrinsic to consumerism, blinds us to the real drivers of destruction.

I'd go further. Anyone who sticks their head above the parapet and tries to affect the political process outside of the normal party system is liable to end up with the full force of our "democratically elected leaders' " wrath coming at them. Thus it was that I found myself in the Royal Courts of Justice trying, without representation, to defend myself and 11 others from the Southend Borough Council and some of our number ending up paying a large legal "bill" for trying to exercise our democratic rights. Julian wrote a blog piece about it at the time. I'll ask her if it still exists.

Oh, Bach without any doubt. Bach every time for me.

Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #105 on: October 14, 2019, 09:44:07 am »
Thanks for the link Wow.

Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #106 on: October 14, 2019, 10:13:44 am »
It is odd that people can contemplate their own inevitable demise with reasonable equanimity (I don't want to live forever, FTR) yet have a problem with the - equally inevitable in geological terms - demise of humanity. But think of the children! (those we shouldn't be having to conserve the planet, that is).

Humans and humanity carry the seeds of our own destruction. Entropy is all.


(And no, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't try to make our environment last a little longer, just observing, that's all)

Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2019, 09:34:50 am »
It is odd that people can contemplate their own inevitable demise with reasonable equanimity (I don't want to live forever, FTR) yet have a problem with the - equally inevitable in geological terms - demise of humanity. But think of the children! (those we shouldn't be having to conserve the planet, that is).

Humans and humanity carry the seeds of our own destruction. Entropy is all.


(And no, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't try to make our environment last a little longer, just observing, that's all)

I don't have any issue with the long term demise of humanity - as you say, it's inevitable in geological terms, and even in the shorter term it may not be a bad thing for the rest of life on the planet. I do, however, have an issue with the amount of suffering that will happen as a result of climate change. I can easily imagine millions of deaths as water and food shortages spur mass migration to places that don't want / can't cope with the migrants. It's already happening now, to a lesser extent. If we can avoid that by making big changes now, I think we should. (I'm also aware that I'm being pretty hypocritical in some ways, sitting here in my centrally heated house with two laptops switched on in front of me.)