Author Topic: Southend to Melbourne without flying...  (Read 2188 times)

bhoot

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2019, 10:42:04 pm »
Not sure whether there is anything of interest in this but I remember reading it a few years back.  Sounds like a similar dilemma

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/the-green-way-to-get-to-australia-412892.html


Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2019, 10:24:24 am »
The Scary Devil Monastery solution to avoiding your luggage being damaged or going AWOL is to check in a firearm (they'll have a procedure for this, involving copious amounts of extra paperwork), and put whatever it is you care about in with that.  For some reason, they're suddenly really careful...

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #77 on: August 23, 2019, 10:39:51 am »
sorry Wow for posting about bikes as it's not relevant to your trip; will move  :)

Re the Trans Siberian Express, is it still available as a normal public train as it seems to be on everyone in the World's ( I won't say bucket as I hate the term) list?

You're suggesting people actually do the things on bucket lists rather than just post to Facebook about them?

FifeingEejit

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2019, 11:53:18 am »
You will need to find a container ship with space for and willing to take passengers, Singapore or Malaysia are probably the best chance of that.

There are travel agents that specialise in sorting this sort of trip out.

You can also do the entire trip on a freighter from Southampton!

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2019, 12:01:47 pm »
It’s not so much that we are not slowing down fast enough. We are accelerating.

It's a guaranteed outcome; the entire basis of the global economy is based on growth.

quixoticgeek

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #80 on: August 23, 2019, 12:19:57 pm »
It’s not so much that we are not slowing down fast enough. We are accelerating.

It's a guaranteed outcome; the entire basis of the global economy is based on growth.

Is now the time to mention: https://amzn.to/2ZqMrAp

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bludger

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #81 on: August 23, 2019, 02:33:56 pm »
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It's a guaranteed outcome; the entire basis of the global economy is based on growth.

That is the dominant perspective, offered and reiterated by people on the payroll of massive organisations and "think tanks" (read: propaganda) but there is a huge degrowth movement which has been making convincing arguments against a money-first agenda and a human habit protection agenda instead, for decades.

You don't even need to reject conventional economics to get it, you can just insist that e.g. the negative externalities of climate change, which are gargantuan, are priced into the maths. So instead of just talking about how e.g. 'the aerospace industry employs lots of people' you do an equation of 'it employs lots of people but will maim and kill more through its environmental impact in the course of the 21st century'.
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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2019, 02:43:46 pm »
I did wonder this morning whether Brazil could charge the world for the oxygen it supplies.

Imagine if every car, plane, coal or gas plant in the world paid a realistic subsidy to Brazil and any other large rainforest country to stop commercial development..

Alternatively if the countries bordering the Sahara started really planting trees subsidised by the same polluting agents.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #83 on: August 23, 2019, 03:28:43 pm »
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It's a guaranteed outcome; the entire basis of the global economy is based on growth.

That is the dominant perspective, offered and reiterated by people on the payroll of massive organisations and "think tanks" (read: propaganda) but there is a huge degrowth movement which has been making convincing arguments against a money-first agenda and a human habit protection agenda instead, for decades.

You don't even need to reject conventional economics to get it, you can just insist that e.g. the negative externalities of climate change, which are gargantuan, are priced into the maths. So instead of just talking about how e.g. 'the aerospace industry employs lots of people' you do an equation of 'it employs lots of people but will maim and kill more through its environmental impact in the course of the 21st century'.
By chance I happened to hear of some "sustainable finance" ideas a couple of days ago, in which they are doing just that. Further, they are not just screening out bad stuff but using "impact investment" to invest in positive changes (education, health, decent housing). Bringing us back to Wow's trip, this fund is based in Australia.
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bludger

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #84 on: August 23, 2019, 04:00:32 pm »
I did wonder this morning whether Brazil could charge the world for the oxygen it supplies.
Imagine if every car, plane, coal or gas plant in the world paid a realistic subsidy to Brazil and any other large rainforest country to stop commercial development..

This is a concept known as payment for ecosystem services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_for_ecosystem_services

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By chance I happened to hear of some "sustainable finance" ideas a couple of days ago, in which they are doing just that.
There are people who are serious about it - but what real power do they actually have? For instance my former employer had some very real greenies but they were kept at arms length from the people with the actual purse strings. They were wheeled out to give talks and whatnot and say all the right things but the reality... Be particularly wary about hearing about 'money allocated for x'. The actual data point to be interested in is money actually disbursed which can be a big disparity!
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #85 on: August 23, 2019, 04:19:39 pm »
Yep. From what I could make out these people were serious (and also going into quite a lot of almost philosophical detail eg on animals' rights in different circumstances) but as they said "we don't have scale".
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FifeingEejit

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #86 on: August 23, 2019, 04:59:57 pm »
sorry Wow for posting about bikes as it's not relevant to your trip; will move  :)

Re the Trans Siberian Express, is it still available as a normal public train as it seems to be on everyone in the World's ( I won't say bucket as I hate the term) list?
It is not and never has been a public train, in fact it has never been a train.

Russian trains are numbered, the full transsiberian route is covered by trains 1,2,3 and 4 iirc but the manner they do it differs.

The trans siberian route is covered by a number of trains over the distantce as well as others that follow other routes (trans manchuria and trans Mongolian)

If you're taking a single train with no lay overs planned then you want the "transmanchurian" or "transmongolian" trains to bejing not the "transsiberian" as finding yourself in vladivostock is rsther unhelpful if you are aiming for Australia.

The advise is generally to pick towns to visit along the way, there are guide books that go into detail and worth reading.

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Mr Larrington

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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #87 on: August 23, 2019, 06:27:13 pm »
It's not, by Western standards, an "express" either.
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Re: Southend to Melbourne without flying...
« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2019, 07:34:16 am »
Don’t know if it has been mentioned above, but there are agencies that organise freighter passenger travel. http://www.freightercruises.com

Otherwise minimal flying is probably Bali to Darwin


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