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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #200 on: September 15, 2020, 03:16:10 pm »
Data?

Pogačar set a new record up the Peyresourde.

On the Puy Mary last year's Tour winner, Egan Bernal, couldnt keep up with the Slovenians despite producing some of his best ever numbers.

It isnt proof of anything, but it does suggest abnormal performances.

A VAM of 1711, hardly abnormal.

Keep going Sheep with your arm chair critiques, opinions are like arseholes etc, etc.

LMT is like an opinion.

Besides, LMT is, as usual, wrong. Pogačars VAM was 1859 on his attack, or in other terms Pogačar did 6.7 W/kg for 24 minutes, at the end of a four-hour mountain stage, on the eighth consecutive day of the world's hardest bike race.  

Yeah. Normal.


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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #201 on: September 15, 2020, 07:21:22 pm »
Data?

Pogačar set a new record up the Peyresourde.

On the Puy Mary last year's Tour winner, Egan Bernal, couldnt keep up with the Slovenians despite producing some of his best ever numbers.

It isnt proof of anything, but it does suggest abnormal performances.

A VAM of 1711, hardly abnormal.

Keep going Sheep with your arm chair critiques, opinions are like arseholes etc, etc.

LMT is like an opinion.

Besides, LMT is, as usual, wrong. Pogačars VAM was 1859 on his attack, or in other terms Pogačar did 6.7 W/kg for 24 minutes, at the end of a four-hour mountain stage, on the eighth consecutive day of the world's hardest bike race. 

Yeah. Normal.

His VAM for the climb was 1711, carry on bleating Sheep.

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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #202 on: September 15, 2020, 08:18:31 pm »
Other fora are available for name-calling.  I understand that the Twittersphere and YouTube comments are particularly truculent.  I respectfully suggest you find another outlet for such pleasantries, not here.

Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #203 on: September 15, 2020, 09:09:24 pm »
Inevitably, Zwift/Sufferfest and other indoor training regimes worked better for some than others. Sagan and Valverde are famously not fans, and there will be plenty of others. On the other hand, there will be some who responded very well to the indoor training environment.

Well, Valverde is sitting in 12th. Not bad for a 40 year old who doesnt like Zwift.


Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #204 on: September 15, 2020, 09:35:34 pm »
40?  That's Jurassic in Grand Tour terms.  I know Duclos-Lasalle was winning stuff in early middle age but they were one-day Classics.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #205 on: September 15, 2020, 10:12:07 pm »
Inevitably, Zwift/Sufferfest and other indoor training regimes worked better for some than others. Sagan and Valverde are famously not fans, and there will be plenty of others. On the other hand, there will be some who responded very well to the indoor training environment.

Well, Valverde is sitting in 12th. Not bad for a 40 year old who doesnt like Zwift.


The fact that he doesn't like it doesn't mean he didn't get effective training from it. But I suspect that he used other software, or old-fashioned roller drills. Nevertheless, good point!

Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #206 on: September 16, 2020, 08:57:27 am »
It did make me chuckle last night when David Miller made a comment that the Jumbo team were unbelievably good  ;D

Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #207 on: September 16, 2020, 09:07:15 am »
It did make me chuckle last night when David Miller made a comment that the Jumbo team were unbelievably good  ;D
As in "David Millar was unbelievably good once"  ;)
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #208 on: September 16, 2020, 09:11:26 am »
Bernal quits.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #209 on: September 16, 2020, 10:08:38 am »
Bernal quits.

Saw that one coming when I noted that he'd finished in the autobus yesterday.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #210 on: September 16, 2020, 10:24:47 am »
Thats very disappointing.  Wouldn't be surprised to see him leave Ineos now.

Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #211 on: September 16, 2020, 10:50:53 am »
Even allowing for controversies Bernal's losses are colossal, unlike, say, Quintana's.  I suspect he's actually ill.

Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #212 on: September 16, 2020, 10:56:16 am »
Even allowing for controversies Bernal's losses are colossal, unlike, say, Quintana's.  I suspect he's actually ill.

From what I was reading elsewhere just now, it appears that it's a recurrence of the back problem that he had at the Critérium du Dauphiné.

ETA: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/egan-bernal-im-screwed-up-on-all-sides/
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #213 on: September 16, 2020, 10:57:07 am »
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...Wouldn't be surprised to see him leave Ineos now.
If you mean Ineos giving him the push, I would.  He had a bad off not long before the TdF from which he hasn't recovered properly, he's a proven GT winner and, so far at least, Ineos have been prepared to let hurt riders recover and try again.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #214 on: September 16, 2020, 10:59:00 am »
Thats very disappointing.  Wouldn't be surprised to see him leave Ineos now.

His contract with $ky/Ineo$ is until the end of 2022, and with Froome already leaving and Thomas (34) being indescribably ancient he'll be undisputed team leader and get paid lots of money.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #215 on: September 16, 2020, 10:59:58 am »
INEOS have invested their future in him. Seems unlikely they will offload a 23 year old because of one bad result in a topsy turvy year
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #216 on: September 16, 2020, 03:28:48 pm »
Col de la Loze: my first car wouldn't have got up there.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #217 on: September 16, 2020, 04:22:53 pm »
That was quite exciting wasn’t it?
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #218 on: September 16, 2020, 04:29:03 pm »
Yeah.  My tea's gone cold.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #219 on: September 16, 2020, 04:56:53 pm »
First stage that I've watched live this year. I was enjoying it most of the way up the final climb, thinking how much nicer it was without all the imbeciles in stupid costumes running alongside or in front of the riders waving flags in their faces.

And then....  :(
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #220 on: September 16, 2020, 06:43:46 pm »
Col de la Loze: my first car wouldn't have got up there.

That’s why it’s Hors Category ( the categories are based on the gear a certain Citroen of long ago needed to get up the climb) Hors Category meant that it couldn’t get up.
I doubt that such a Citroen even exists any more, and organisers have been known to over and under play categories, but the principle remains.

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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #221 on: September 16, 2020, 07:09:54 pm »
HC as a category was only introduced in 1979.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #222 on: September 16, 2020, 09:27:41 pm »
Col de la Loze: my first car wouldn't have got up there.

That’s why it’s Hors Category ( the categories are based on the gear a certain Citroen of long ago needed to get up the climb) Hors Category meant that it couldn’t get up.
I doubt that such a Citroen even exists any more, and organisers have been known to over and under play categories, but the principle remains.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #223 on: September 16, 2020, 09:32:55 pm »
It is a good story but just a story. Don’t talk about the facts too much, the legend is much better. There are lots of cycling stuffs along those lines.
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Re: Tour de France 2020
« Reply #224 on: September 16, 2020, 09:41:43 pm »
That was brilliant!
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