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FifeingEejit

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Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« on: January 26, 2020, 12:26:21 am »
Split off from Deano's SR thread to avoid pollution

I've managed 8400m of RWGPS (and therefore the rubbish resolution STRM data) in 600km with a few ferries.
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31816834

I reckon it is possible, but need to start a tad further north.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2020, 07:08:56 pm »
Posted in Deano's too

I had a look and even with some offroad it'd be difficult, unless you want a proper hike-a-bike route, completing at the randonneur pace would be interesting, but if these new ACP awards cover tourist that would make it fun, some roughstuff SR600s.

I gave up in the end as couldn't get anything close to the climb required on tracks and byways. May be I wasn't looking hard enough.

I'll leave it to the locals too.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2020, 07:37:17 pm »
Best I've got so far is 8800ish RWGPS M of climb.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2020, 07:47:55 pm »
It should be possible, but possibly with many, many controls. Have you guys seen the Belgian SR? (See https://www.openrunner.com/r/8351597) The Ardennes region is less hilly than the Scottish highlands. The route just includes every hill possible (and a control every 20km).

FifeingEejit

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2020, 07:48:07 pm »
Oh aye, does the route have to be a circuit or can it be a point to point or even an out and back?

This is the best I've managed so far
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31819069

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2020, 08:26:06 pm »
21 controls max!! which include the start & finish; this has been updated, it was 18 when I formulated mine. Start & finish can be independent of each other. Out and back discourage but allowed. 619km max. 10,000m on openrunner minimum - this behaves differently to RWGPS, it isn't just a multiplier, I think OR underreads small variences but I could be wrong.

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2020, 08:36:48 pm »
I have full digital OS mapping of the U.K. I did also have a GPX with waypoints for all the UK recognised cols. But whether ?I can find it, or still have it is another question.  I might have a look at what you've come up with later in the week.
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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2020, 08:48:59 pm »
Oh aye, does the route have to be a circuit or can it be a point to point or even an out and back?

This is the best I've managed so far
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31819069

37 miles with 4 hrs of ferry? You'd need to be well up on time.

Uig - Tarbert 90 mins, Tarbert to Stornoway 37 miles, Stornoway - Ullapool 2hrs 30mins

FifeingEejit

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2020, 08:50:43 pm »
The problem is stringing the appropriately steep passes together.
I've tried based on the hills around Lochs Tay and Tummel, the west highlands and the far north but unless open runner is much more accurate on the lumpiness of the coast roads than the 90m data it's always around 1.5 to 2km of climbing short at 600km

FifeingEejit

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2020, 08:51:41 pm »
Oh aye, does the route have to be a circuit or can it be a point to point or even an out and back?

This is the best I've managed so far
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31819069

37 miles with 4 hrs of ferry? You'd need to be well up on time.

Uig - Tarbert 90 mins, Tarbert to Stornoway 37 miles, Stornoway - Ullapool 2hrs 30mins

Aye, Harris unfortunately doesn't work out quite lumpy enough to make up for the lack of lumpiness in hellfire corner...
However since you've got 60hrs... Sleep!

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2020, 08:53:11 pm »
I have full digital OS mapping of the U.K. I did also have a GPX with waypoints for all the UK recognised cols. But whether ?I can find it, or still have it is another question.  I might have a look at what you've come up with later in the week.

Same as. Memory Map? It's elevation gain is something else when comparing to the online tools. But then I'm using an older version so the OS elevation layer may have been updated since.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2020, 08:55:51 pm »
Anquet here. My mapping dates to 2002 so not latest elevation model. But a visual scan of the mapping and contours might give some ideas.
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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2020, 08:58:54 pm »
So we are looking at an overall grade of 1.6% or so.  So looking for at least a 3.2% or so if going uphill and downhill is similar length. But more if poss but few flat bits in between.
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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2020, 08:59:24 pm »
Anquet here. My mapping dates to 2002 so not latest elevation model. But a visual scan of the mapping and contours might give some ideas.

 :thumbsup: Plus you can see all the roads/tracks/paths without having to zoom in and out and in and out....

FifeingEejit

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2020, 09:06:25 pm »
So we are looking at an overall grade of 1.6% or so.  So looking for at least a 3.2% or so if going uphill and downhill is similar length. But more if poss but few flat bits in between.

Yeah, I can get clusters that are steep enough:
Loch Tay and Tummel (Giola Dam road, Schiehallion, Ben Lawers, Glen thingy from Kenmore, Griffin, Errochty)
Central Mounth (Cairngorm Ski Road, Bridge of Brown, Lecht, BHs)
West Highlands (Mam Ratagan, Claunie, Stromeferry hill road, Bealach Nam Bó, Diabeg)
Ardnamurchan

But linking them together is huge expanses of "nice" shallow Straths.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2020, 09:40:18 pm »
A possibility on the west coast with only two ferry crossing and a start and finish location that is not that hard to get to/from.

A few out and back sections but not a huge amount and within the rules.

I think you could do it with about a dozen controls at most

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31822403


Roberto

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2020, 09:51:54 pm »
You are missing about 1000m of climb for OpenRunner which is what ACP authenticate by.

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2020, 09:52:42 am »
You are missing about 1000m of climb for OpenRunner which is what ACP authenticate by.

That route was staring me in the face as well...
The tool that's not to be mentioned also brings it in under height but not by as much, that's not normal for the NASA SRTM data its usually woefully under

Results:
Total Distance: 616.7 km
Total Climbing: 9723 m
AAA Points: 9.75
Data Source: Elevation model (GB)

Can tweak it a fair bit too, bring the finish back to the monument at Glenfinnan or the station if needing to lose a bit more descent.
Is there enough extra climb on the road to lighthouse at Ardnamurchan?

There might also be some forestry roads that are good enough to be thrown into the mix.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2020, 11:16:41 am »
A possibility on the west coast with only two ferry crossing and a start and finish location that is not that hard to get to/from.

A few out and back sections but not a huge amount and within the rules.

I think you could do it with about a dozen controls at most

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31822403


Roberto

This route could add some more climbing by heading over to Glenhurich from Strontian and back. Lots of climbing

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2020, 11:46:54 am »
Right, I've tweaked the route looking at OS 1:50,000 mapping, managed 10,640m of climbing at 684km on Open Runner.  Now I just need to lose about 70km without losing 640m of climbing.
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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2020, 11:48:21 am »
You are missing about 1000m of climb for OpenRunner which is what ACP authenticate by.

That route was staring me in the face as well...
The tool that's not to be mentioned also brings it in under height but not by as much, that's not normal for the NASA SRTM data its usually woefully under

Results:
Total Distance: 616.7 km
Total Climbing: 9723 m
AAA Points: 9.75
Data Source: Elevation model (GB)

Can tweak it a fair bit too, bring the finish back to the monument at Glenfinnan or the station if needing to lose a bit more descent.
Is there enough extra climb on the road to lighthouse at Ardnamurchan?

There might also be some forestry roads that are good enough to be thrown into the mix.

Yours I reckon is missing about 2500m for OpenRunner

I was referring to:
A possibility on the west coast with only two ferry crossing and a start and finish location that is not that hard to get to/from.

A few out and back sections but not a huge amount and within the rules.

I think you could do it with about a dozen controls at most

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31822403


Roberto

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2020, 11:55:42 am »
Now 9902m at 631km on Open Runner, damn.  Right can I find a bit more climbing and shorten it somewhere?
If you don’t make time for exercise now, sooner or later you’ll need to make time for ill health.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2020, 12:00:17 pm »
Now 9778m and 614km on Open Runner. Right more OS Map browsing to find 202m and I'll be back. 
If you don’t make time for exercise now, sooner or later you’ll need to make time for ill health.

Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2020, 12:15:48 pm »
627km and 9830m of climbing on Openrunner. Gawd this is addictive. Ought to be doing something else.
If you don’t make time for exercise now, sooner or later you’ll need to make time for ill health.

FifeingEejit

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Re: Is a Scottish SR600 possible
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2020, 01:05:39 pm »
You are missing about 1000m of climb for OpenRunner which is what ACP authenticate by.

That route was staring me in the face as well...
The tool that's not to be mentioned also brings it in under height but not by as much, that's not normal for the NASA SRTM data its usually woefully under

Results:
Total Distance: 616.7 km
Total Climbing: 9723 m
AAA Points: 9.75
Data Source: Elevation model (GB)

Can tweak it a fair bit too, bring the finish back to the monument at Glenfinnan or the station if needing to lose a bit more descent.
Is there enough extra climb on the road to lighthouse at Ardnamurchan?

There might also be some forestry roads that are good enough to be thrown into the mix.

Yours I reckon is missing about 2500m for OpenRunner

I was referring to:
A possibility on the west coast with only two ferry crossing and a start and finish location that is not that hard to get to/from.

A few out and back sections but not a huge amount and within the rules.

I think you could do it with about a dozen controls at most

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/31822403


Roberto

That is from Roberto's route.