Author Topic: Mavic in trouble.  (Read 1930 times)

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2020, 06:54:46 pm »
I have a pair in the shed that a mate brought around when the spokes all got loose. Flat spokes sitting across the direction of travel is likely to not be very aero. He’s been riding some others I built for the last year and I’ve not really had the heart to sort the mavics. Probably best used to support the fork when I’m on the turbo.

Flat spokes not presenting 'Very Aero' is technical sales bullshit that can only be truly be measured in a wind-tunnel and make very little difference in the real world of Mr & Mrs cyclist or even the posers out on their insanely expensive hype machines whilst blocking the country lanes with their make believe Pelotons on a Sunday morning.

Any loss of speed ability by the not 'Very Aero' presented could be regain several fold by lightening ones pockets of small change.

Sorry, a bit of humour. Having said that, aero generally trumps weight;) but spokes are largely irrelevant.

My mate is much faster on my wheels - identical to the set in classifieds - but I suspect that’s because the spokes are at and remain at an appropriate tension...

bludger

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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2020, 10:29:35 pm »
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/05/mavic-is-in-receivership-but-who-owns-them-who-knows/

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To summarise: Mavic don’t seem to know who owns them. Regent says that they do. The French courts say that they don’t. A sub-brand of Amer Sports, Mavic’s owner from a year ago, seems to be on the hook for something, but we’re not really sure what. And, we’ve now got a headache.

Crikey. What a mess.

I've recently taken out a paid subscription to CT. They seem to be one of the few cycling media outlets to really have their act together.

Shame about Mavic. I've used a few of their wheel products a few times and have been happy. My current wheels are cheap Mavics which have certainly done the job ( https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=112882.msg2415481 ) and the beater bike, a 26er Dawes 501 steel quasi-MTB, rolls on Mavic rims that are probably decades old very well.

My dad's got some Krysium alloy road wheels which have done him very well too and they didn't cost that much.
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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2020, 07:50:46 am »
I liked Mavic MA2 rims.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2020, 08:07:05 am »
I don't know the exact reasons for Mavic's woes, but maybe they are suffering a similar fate to most of the French cycle manufacturing industry.  I'm scratching my head to think of any company beyond Time who manufacture in France (and I know that Mavic moved some of theirs to eastern Europe)

These days the model seems to be design, marketing and logistics, with little need for expensive factories and tooling.

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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2020, 09:49:37 am »
i've ridden mavic wheels since i started cycling and had mostly trouble free experience for over a 100,000km. first wheels were ma2 with campag hubs on my ss commuter, hub cups wore out after a couple of years. then built a pair of mavic 505 hubs with a719 rims, rims lasted 3-4 years, front wheel re-rimmed with the same a719 and still going on my hack bike. another commuter had a319 on disc hubs, rode for a couple of years before it got stolen.

my "good" wheels were ksyrium sl's which i chose based on low weight (then, 1.5kg), no rider weight limit (so must be strong), decent looks and the use in pro peloton ::-) - twelve years ago. they had finished many long audaxes, two tcr's and were mostly trouble free. mostly, because the freehub skips occasionally, say once in a thousand kms and the bushing creaked twice (easy to sort it out). superb quality bearings, didn't need changing and still ultra-smooth. they are now considered vintage, however still perform well enough, being light, stiff and responsive - out of saddle accelerations feel great!

would i be sad to see them go? a little, from nostalgic pov, however there are many great wheels on the market to choose from, so cyclists/consumers aren't losing much.

bludger

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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2020, 10:02:37 am »
There is still reason to be sad. A company like Mavic, being a pedigreed firm, has a great deal of institutional knowledge accumulated over decades. It is tragic that a historic group like it has been reduced to nothing, seemingly by mismanagement and financialised trading. Really can't recommend that cyclingtips article enough. It is mind boggling.
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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2020, 10:14:46 am »
I've had lots of Mavic wheels, and they've all performed very well. I still have two pairs of Ksyrium Elites - 2005 and 2010 varieties - and they're still gainfully employed and have never given a moment's trouble. I know nothing about the company, really, but I do hope they manage to survive. I wonder what went wrong with the Mavic/Enve 'synergy'.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2020, 10:09:03 pm »
I have some mavic gp4 rims on campag gran sport hubs.


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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2020, 09:29:15 am »
I hope that it doesn’t go the way of so many good” names” from the past, and get acquired by a company that, once old stock is sold, uses the name to sell much more indifferent items.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2020, 11:24:44 am »
An answer to the rubbish hub parts? The nylon hub part wears out, a company in the USA produces spares in various sizes as the so called nylon bush slightly wears the hub body. Google igus bearings  this is the type of bearing used. Its  the user not using the proper lube in the bearing. Was told to use mineral oil ( magura or shimano) used in disc brakes.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2020, 11:30:20 am »
Yep. Mavic recommend mineral oil about every 3000 miles I think.

Hubdoctor (dont know if they are still around) also do solutions to the shitty bushing issue

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2020, 01:44:25 pm »
I have some mavic gp4 rims on campag gran sport hubs.
I've got:
GEL280 (actual weight 300g!)
GL330 (350g)
CX18 (18 as in 18mm wide)
GP4 (400g)
G40
MA2 (more than enough to see me out)
MA40 (dark anodised version of MA2, wheels sold after I moved to using MA2)
E2
Module E
Champion du Monde
Mod 3
Mod 4

All either as rims or built on Nuovo Record hubs.

I reckon Mavic went downhill after they introduced dark hard anodising. OK, they might look OK when new, but they look absolutely crap once the side walls start to wear from (rim) brake use.

Oh, also when they change the label from red to green and yellow.

The green and yellow label is so ugly I need to remove them from my MA2 rims, fortunately all my other mavic rims have the red label.

 ;D

I've got some bits from the orig SSC groupsets like chainset, hubs, gears. But I've always prefered cup and cone bearings over the cartridge bearings that Mavic use.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2020, 01:55:36 pm »
I have some mavic gp4 rims on campag gran sport hubs.
I've got:
GEL280 (actual weight 300g!)
GL330
GP4
G40
MA2 (more than enough to see out)
E2
Module E
Champion du Monde
Mod 3
Mod 4

All either as rims or built on Nuovo Record hubs.

I reckon Mavic went downhill after they introduced dark hard anodising. OK, they might look OK when new, but they look absolutely crap once the side walls start to wear from (rim) brake use.

Oh, also when they change the label from red to green and yellow.

The green and yellow label is so ugly I need to remove them from my MA2 rims, fortunately all my other mavic rims have the red label.

 ;D

I've got some bits from the orig SSC groupsets like chainset, hubs, deraileurs. But I've always prefered cup and cone bearings over the cartridge bearings that Mavic use.
My first pay packet went on the wheels in 1984. They are now on my hand built F.W.Evans frame which is also from 1984, purchased at the family run Evans shop. Still running well on their occasional outing, now furnished with gatorskin tubulars.


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Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2020, 08:47:47 pm »
My bike has got Mavic Open Pro UST rims, and has always performed brilliantly tubelessly when I have used Mavic UST tyres.
When I tried to use non-Mavic tyres with them, they didn't seat well.

So I ordered another pair of tyres when I saw this thread (probably coming up to being replaced anyway, they've been on since before PBP) and got an email to say they've been dispatched.

So obviously still trading for the time being.

It is what it is. It's not what it's not, so it must be what it is.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2020, 09:49:47 pm »
yeah, the MA2 etc yellow and green decal just made me want to hurl. Other rim models had other colours, mostly  just as pukey.   Mavic almost deserve to go bust for inflicting that on innocent cyclists...?

I much preferred their old 'diamond' logo on a red background.  The current Mavic rim logos just don't look very special and they don't always even stay on the rim.

cheers

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2020, 11:43:14 am »
Anyone care to recommend an alternative to the Open Pro? My frames won't take more than 23mm tyres, so the fad for wider rims doesn't appeal.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2020, 11:54:54 am »
Ambrosio Excellence and Excellight.  Dt swiss do loads of decent rims.

Re: Mavic in trouble.
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2020, 01:57:09 pm »
There was a tie in with a bike builder in the US a couple of years back that was offering really deeply discounted prices on mavic stuff with the purchase of a new bike. We ordered a bunch of stuff at the time. There must nave been something awry back then though because most of the order fell through (mainly clothing/ racing shoes)
  We did end up with a set of pro carbon and pro carbon disc wheels however They are decent enough but came with horrible uncomfortable tyres that we took off and replaced off the bat.
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