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Wax chain lube double question.
« on: May 08, 2020, 04:09:06 pm »
Hi All, this is my first post.

I've not been able to find the answers on this forum yet, please forgive if I've just been unable to find them.

I have been using wax chain lube (Squirt) for some time now and I'm happy with this. Just about to put a new chain on. Last chain change I degreased the new chain (ultrasonic parts washer) rinsed and dried it, then wax lubed it when I put it on the bike.

Question 1. Would it not be a better idea to put it straight on the bike (making use of the factory installed lubricant) after wiping off the excess lube and then degreasing the chain and installing wax lube once a relube was required? I can't recall if I have read that the grease used in production and for storage is not the best thing to use on the bike. I think there were conflicting opinions.

Question2. Is there a water displacement substance (WD40 etc) that can be used on a chain without effecting the wax. Drying with a cloth just doesn't get all the trapped water out. I have had chains develop a rust patina on the side plates when not used for a while.

Thank you, in advance.

Re: Wax chain lube double question.
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2020, 08:43:02 pm »
Nothing empirical, but when I get a new chain I leave it well alone on the basis that it's probably as well lubed as it will ever be. I'm pretty sure that the interval from new chain to its requiring the first lube is longer than the subsequent between-lube intervals.

In answer to your Q1, I would say yes.

Q2. Not aware of anything along these lines, short of having the chain lubed to start with and storing it somewhere warm and dry (and giving the chain a quick wipe off after a wet ride).

And welcome.
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Re: Wax chain lube double question.
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2020, 10:24:31 am »
Thanks Hatler.

I've put the chain straight on and will stick it in the ultrasonic next lube. Might have to think up some cunning experiment to test the resolve of water based wax lube against water displacing sprays. It could involve a piece of glass or perhaps some naked steel to show the rust.



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Re: Wax chain lube double question.
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2020, 03:43:55 pm »
The existing factory lube is a grease based wet lube and will get "dirty" when it is used on the bicycle. When it needs re-lubing, you will as you say, have to clean and de-grease it.

Personal 4d anecdote:

Usual practice:
I use a paraffin wax based system with a crock pot. All chains are initially de-greased (see later). Usually I brush and wipe down my chains before immersing them in hot wax for about 3 hours before hanging them (gently run thorough a paper towel once to wipe off excess as they are withdrawn) to cool. I use 2 chains in rotation for each bike and rotate every 600km with normal use though I have found a re-wax can last up to over 1000k in good conditions or short time periods. I occasionally use Squirt to "top up" after wet rides if I have to. Cassette: This is brushed  with a stiff brush with each chain change and is taken off, cleaned more thoroughly and waxed about every 4 chain changes (2400km) - It can easily last longer but it looks prettier this way...
If I am likely not to use a chain for a while, I replace it early and re-wax - not had any newly waxed chains rust yet.

I did try to use a chain with factory lube to start once after I started using the waxing system; it got very dirty quite quickly and lasted about 800k, so not much longer than paraffin. I also had to clean and de-grease the chain rings and cassette at the end. Hence, IMHO, no gain from de-grease and wax ab initio which is what I do now every time.

The best thing I like about using wax is its cleanliness - no black chain marks on anything, you can work with the chain with your bare hands with impunity and, I think, the chains and cassettes last a longer, especially with the rotating chain system. This cleanliness is marred by using a factory lubed chain.  :P