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iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« on: June 25, 2020, 09:13:13 pm »
I have a compact non numerical Magic keyboard which came as standard with a 2017 iMac, which I liked initially. It needs replacing as I'm fed up of prizing off keys and cleaning it, sometimes with poor outcomes - sooner or later things are going to break. Am I a slob? Perhaps I need a new me?

Any alternative suggestions? Somewhat reluctant to spend £100 on a new Magic keyboard. Must be non numerical and small. Doesn't have to be wireless, although that's kinda neat.

No touch typing here - just two slow fingers

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2020, 11:52:49 pm »
Mac cherry keyboard?

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2020, 09:25:14 am »
I've never had to clean my Mac keyboard ever (well not like that). So it's either incalculably foul or you're doing something that falls into a special category.

I give it the occasional dust with the vaccuum cleaner and wipe down with a kitchen towel and IPA/water.

Personally, I love the Apple wireless keyboards, and I don't think they're any more likely to become foulsome than others. You maybe need something wipe-clean and specified for teenage boys (I think there's an ISO for this).
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2020, 09:59:42 am »
Now that I have a magic keyboard, I don't think I could possibly go back to anything else. Aside from how lovely they are to type on, the fact that they can go six months between charges is particularly impressive.

I agree with ian that if you're having cleanliness issues, you need to look at your working practices rather than your choice of keyboard. Don't eat at your desk is a good start.

I used to know someone who always put his keyboard away in a cover overnight, which would help guard against dust. Probably a good idea.

You can also get silicone covers that sit over the keyboard to protect against spillage while in use. They're a few quid on ebay. Don't know if they affect the keyboard's usability.

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2020, 10:15:29 am »
I do throw the cloth I use for screen cleaning over it in the evening, but that's mostly to keep cat crud out of it. I've been using Apple wireless keyboards for well over a decade, never had an issue, and no, I couldn't use anything else either.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2020, 12:16:42 pm »
With my keyboard I occasionally turn it upside down and thump it. Things fall out. I also wet wipe it (switched off and very gently, so as not to get water into its innards.

I've never had to remove a key, well, not for the last 15 years or so.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2020, 12:30:08 pm »
Thanks folks :)

Time to change the ways of slope - I do admit to eating toast most mornings at the keyboard :hand:

And without sticky keys it's the most satisfactory keyboard I've come across.

New one just ordered from John Lewis £84.99. There is a new Apple MLA22B/A on eBay for £64.99 inc post, but it's "No returns accepted" private looking seller :-\

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2020, 12:54:09 pm »
Time to change the ways of slope - I do admit to eating toast most mornings at the keyboard :hand:

Cf the working from home thread. Eating breakfast in the kitchen before you start work is part of helping to maintain the work/home distinction!

Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2020, 12:54:56 pm »
On my third magic keyboard for my 2015 iMac.
I can confirm that they do not respond well to having a glass of wine knocked over onto them.

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2020, 01:17:03 pm »
I do eat my breakfast toast in the kitchen whilst reading a magazine rather than staring at the screen which, indeed, offers a nice break.

Oddly, I've never spilled beer on it. I must not be drinking enough.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2020, 02:16:09 pm »
On my third magic keyboard for my 2015 iMac.
I can confirm that they do not respond well to having a glass of wine knocked over onto them.
Probably worse if it was a laptop
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2020, 03:09:55 pm »
On my third magic keyboard for my 2015 iMac.
I can confirm that they do not respond well to having a glass of wine knocked over onto them.
Probably worse if it was a laptop
Ow!
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2020, 04:18:08 pm »
I never did get round to putting the outcome into the original thread.
We had a booked in trip to the Genius Bar at our 'local' Apple Store (in Bath, so a 40 mile drive).
They managed to fix it, but it took a couple of days. Can't remember how much was cleaning and how much was replace. I do remember that they found another, possibly related, piece of damage. It cost MrsC about £150 all told, plus two trips to Bath.
Works fine now, although she has upgraded. The machine is sitting in the corner waiting for when I get round to disposing of it.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2020, 06:45:41 pm »
A thorough cleaning of the older of my IBM keyboards is long overdue, but the Internets say it needs a 5.5mm nut driver to take it apart, and it's got more than a hundred Jesus springs in it and on the whole it's easier just to attack it with wet-wipes.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2020, 10:30:28 pm »
Now that I have a magic keyboard, I don't think I could possibly go back to anything else.

if you like something that types like a laptop but is longer then yes, they are great

good build quality and like you say battery life but other than that a bit meh
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2020, 10:42:01 pm »
A thorough cleaning of the older of my IBM keyboards is long overdue, but the Internets say it needs a 5.5mm nut driver to take it apart, and it's got more than a hundred Jesus springs in it and on the whole it's easier just to attack it with wet-wipes.

Yeh but if its a model M it also doubles up as a tool for driving fence stakes in and a self defence weapon. Those things were built!
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2020, 10:47:34 pm »
Slope's evidential sloppiness :-[


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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2020, 11:20:34 pm »
With my keyboard I occasionally turn it upside down and thump it. Things fall out. I also wet wipe it (switched off and very gently, so as not to get water into its innards.

I've never had to remove a key, well, not for the last 15 years or so.

I made the mistake of squirting mine with a can of compressed 'air' the other day.   :hand:

Though key removal has only ever been necessary due to accidentally dropping a pingfuckit on it.  I don't think I've ever had a liquid incident, but crumbs are an occasional hazard.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2020, 01:29:58 pm »
A thorough cleaning of the older of my IBM keyboards is long overdue, but the Internets say it needs a 5.5mm nut driver to take it apart, and it's got more than a hundred Jesus springs in it and on the whole it's easier just to attack it with wet-wipes.

Yeh but if its a model M it also doubles up as a tool for driving fence stakes in and a self defence weapon. Those things were built!

It is.  For a while I used it to drive an Asus EeePC, which it outweighs by 2:1  ;D
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2020, 02:08:58 pm »
Now that I have a magic keyboard, I don't think I could possibly go back to anything else.

if you like something that types like a laptop but is longer then yes, they are great

good build quality and like you say battery life but other than that a bit meh

How do you mean "longer"? My magic keyboard is in fact exactly the same size as my macbook keyboard.

I like typing on it - the keys are responsive and don't require thumping like some keyboards I've used. A nice mechanical keyboard might be even better, granted, but this is what I'm used to. And I certainly don't need pointless features like backlighting, which seem to be regarded as a key requirement for high-end keyboards. YMMV, of course.

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2020, 09:40:16 am »
Keyboards for keyboardists innit, I've still got my first Apple keyboard that came with a Mac Mini back in c2007. Worked fine for over a decade and I'd hazard I type a lot of words. I used to have a big clacky Model M at work. It's made a very satisfying noise, though could be confused by someone doing roadworks outside or an attack of giant clockwork beetles. It would make it very easy for one of those beetles to creep up behind you and sink its giant pincers in your neck. One minute you're typing an email to your corporate overlords. The next? Game over man, game over. Oh look, my intestines. With an Apple keyboard, it would have to tippy-toe, which is difficult when you're two metres long, weight half a tonne, and have six metal legs. Really, that's only going to work if you have a thick shag pile carpet, which is more mid-80s porn film set than the sort of hardwood Scandic furniture catalogue that I inhabit. Honestly, carpets and porn films, were where they at? The entire market of rentable carpet cleaning machines probably depended on that.

So make your choice. The smooth tippitytap of Apple's finest Californian design lubricated by the sweat of the Chinese working 25-hour shifts or death by giant clockwork beetles made by some steamtechno-cave inhabiting evil mastermind. I for one, put my trust in Cupertino.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2020, 11:38:40 am »
Model M: made in Scotland*, from girrrrderrrs.

* well, mine were
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2020, 09:24:02 am »
Really made in Scotland?  There is a great documentary on the IBM Spango Valley plant:

Silicon Glen: from Ships to Microchips
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000jltz

I visited the DEC plant in Ayr as a graduate student and the sun plant in Linlithgow to build an HPC cluster.
Never did visit IBM.

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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2020, 10:28:47 am »
Yep, the sticker on the underside says it was born in Scotland in February 1990.
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Re: iMac replacement desktop keyboard
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2020, 10:32:32 am »
Just easing into early middle age for a Type M then.