Author Topic: The Vicissitudes of Ageing  (Read 2012 times)

T42

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2020, 01:08:22 pm »
Speaking of giving blood, once you're on long-term [heart] meds you're not allowed to.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2020, 02:34:25 pm »
I already wasn't allowed to because of my rheumatoid arthritis. Auto-immune diseases disqualify you as well.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2020, 03:37:52 pm »
Sorry to see this Wow - hope it's short term.
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T42

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2020, 04:41:06 pm »
I already wasn't allowed to because of my rheumatoid arthritis. Auto-immune diseases disqualify you as well.

Well, the older we get the more people stick needles in us, so one fewer isn't a hardship.
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Wowbagger

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2020, 05:21:27 pm »
One of the self-imposed side-effects of having spent 7 hours or so in a hospital is that I felt that I was at risk of having contracted COVID-19. From stuff I've read, something like 20% of new cases are in the group of people who have just visited hospital without COVID and they catch it while they are there. I have therefore been in isolation for the past week in order to shield Dez, who of course is a kidney transplant recipient.

It could be a lot worse. I'm occupying the granny annexe so I have a sliding door to the garden where I can do a bit of hoeing, watering, weeding and just sitting (except it's been less comfortable out there this past week). I've got my computer, my phone, a landline, my ipad, and I deal with the nightcam every morning and mess around with videos of hedgehogs and foxes. I get waited on by Jan, who has drawn the short straw: under normal circumstances she prepares the veg and I do all the cooking but now she's lumbered with the lot, as well as waiting on me.

Curiously, the doctor who supervised my discharge told me (after having gone to ask someone else) to self-isolate for a week, but it seems to me that that is likely to be a sloppy relaxation of policy by this shyster government, so I'm planning to stay in isolation for another fortnight. The urgency of this will be lessened as Dez and Alex will start renting a house tomorrow so Jan and I will be just the two of us. We have been in that state for less than 4 years out of the 44 years that we have been married. I'm looking forward to that.

I have also been continuing to check my blood oxygen levels, blood pressure, pulse and temperature. Everything within bounds, although my pulse seems a bit low - mostly in the 50s. My temperature is always below 36°C as well.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2020, 06:28:13 pm »

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2020, 06:47:40 pm »
I've gone 7 days without symptoms and most of the sites I've read seem to think that 5 days is the critical time by which symptoms start.

Of course, I could be someone who has become infected but is symptom free. If that's the case, I have no idea how you check for it other than having another test.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2020, 06:23:16 pm »
Arising out of the above, I went for an echocardiogram today. I won't get the results for several weeks, but I reassure myself that if I can walk to and from my cardio appointments (round trip 2 miles or just over) then things aren't desperate yet.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2020, 09:15:36 pm »
I seem to have missed this the first time round. It all sounds a bit scary. Glad it is being looked after.
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T42

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2020, 10:41:55 am »
Arising out of the above, I went for an echocardiogram today. I won't get the results for several weeks, but I reassure myself that if I can walk to and from my cardio appointments (round trip 2 miles or just over) then things aren't desperate yet.

Aw, that's sadistic.  My cardiologist tells me what's what immediately.  I'm due for an arterial echogram in a couple of weeks, to tell me what's blocked & what's not, and presumably if my strivings on the bike are turning my aorta into a balloon sculpture. It was OK last year.

What I hate about making appointments is that they usually turn out to fall on the only decent cycling day of the week.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2020, 11:47:07 am »
.... so I have a sliding door to the garden where I can do a bit of hoeing

Missed this earlier, good that it is settling down, but reading that ^^^ impressed me with your commitment to seasonal jollity. You take this look-alike thing seriously, don't you?

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2020, 04:39:53 pm »
I just had a call from the cardiologist. My echocardiogram last week showed normality. No further treatment, other than to continue with the two new tablets (edoxaban and bisoprolol) for life.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2020, 07:03:06 pm »
At least that is positive news.
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T42

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 07:53:10 am »
I just had a call from the cardiologist. My echocardiogram last week showed normality. No further treatment, other than to continue with the two new tablets (edoxaban and bisoprolol) for life.

Bummer.  Anything ending in -olol is bad news for cyclists (apart from the minor consideration of staying alive, of course).  Actually, a decent dose of caffeine will counteract it.

(My doc does not approve such sentiments.)
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 11:37:41 am »
I'm getting to be quite good pals with Nigel the Physio.  Got an appointment with him next week to sort out a knee/leg problem that only manifests itself walking.  I'm fine on a bike.

Took the car to Exeter for some maintenance, and rode home.  Met an old friend on a city corner—he was waiting for someone, so we chatted.  He asked me about work, I explained I was retired.  He said he'd assumed I was "mid to late 50s", even sounded sincere about it.  I wish!

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 12:29:59 pm »
I just had a call from the cardiologist. My echocardiogram last week showed normality. No further treatment, other than to continue with the two new tablets (edoxaban and bisoprolol) for life.

Bummer.  Anything ending in -olol is bad news for cyclists (apart from the minor consideration of staying alive, of course).  Actually, a decent dose of caffeine will counteract it.

(My doc does not approve such sentiments.)

Please elucidate!
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 01:08:00 pm »
I suspect T42 is referring to the possibility of beta-blockers "limiting" the amount of effort you can put in.  I'm only on a low dose and I can still cycle fairly normally (including steady climbs of long hills) but very occasionally I experience a sort of lead-legged feeling, especially if I experiment with a little increased effort.  Although I have no particular symptoms and haven't got significant arterial disease (angiogram) I'm on other drugs in addition to yours, presumably because, in addition to AF, my heart is in a bad way (Ejection Fraction of 8%).  However, I'm following the advice, taking the pills and riding most days and I'm hopeful of an improvement at my next echo.  I'm also really happy that you seem to have got off so lightly - that's really good news!  (Sorry if you were hoping to be able to give up gardening!)

All the best

Peter

T42

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 01:24:57 pm »
I suspect T42 is referring to the possibility of beta-blockers "limiting" the amount of effort you can put in.

Exactly.  Back when I was on the damned things, 2008-2011, in spite of being on what my cardiologist called a homoeopathic dose, I had to fight to get my heart rate up to a level that kept my legs adequately supplied with blood, and hence oxygen.  Doing a half-hour 8% climb was utter hell.

Last year the cardiologist suspected me of committing atrial fib and prescribed a different BB, and my doc persuaded me to go along with it.  Effects weren't as bad but they were there, and thrust me into such a deep depression that I abandoned the diabetic diet.  Exit beta-blockers, but unfortunately the depression is still here and my diabetes figures are all to hell.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 02:48:11 pm »
As others have posted, *olol meds are beta blockers. That means they reduce the effect of adrenaline on heart rate, which leaves some people feeling unable to get out of second gear.

T42

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 03:13:08 pm »
As others have posted, *olol meds are beta blockers. That means they reduce the effect of adrenaline on heart rate, which leaves some people feeling unable to get out of second gear.

The result of fighting it is acute lactate burn.  I used to go up hills at a rhythm of 5 pedal strokes & pause, 5 pedal strokes & pause.

In -olol, the operative syllable is LOL.

As I observed above, a good dose of caffeine counteracts the BBs to some extent, but it's not a recommended strategy.  Last summer, when I was fighting the second infliction, I could get an extra 20 bpm with two large cafés au lait. YMMV.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 04:31:50 pm »
I suspect that, as the one forummer who has turned slow cycling into an art form (tips hat to Nikki), none of this will worry me. It's quite uncommon for me to get my heart rate up. Some years ago I wore a HRM during a 75-mile ride. I happened to pump into my nephew, a GP, during the same ride. I've forgotten what the statistic was now, but I'm sure I mentioned it somewhere on "Rides & Touring" at the time, but I don't think my heart rate exceeded 100* at any time during the ride.

*It was 140.
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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 05:55:42 pm »
... as the one forummer who has turned slow cycling into an art form ...

I would also tip your hat also in the direction of Cycleman, at least on the uphills.

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Re: The Vicissitudes of Ageing
« Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 05:59:15 pm »
... as the one forummer who has turned slow cycling into an art form ...

I would also tip your hat also in the direction of Cycleman, at least on the uphills.

Cycleman now has electric assist as a default. I can't keep up with that... ;)
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