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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2020, 12:04:46 pm »

We are going to make some up for forthcoming holiday in Scotland. Triple-layered masks only are acceptable up there.


Nope, anything goes really (even Buffs/scarves are fine). Mine certainly isn't triple-layered.

Then again, half the people I've seen appear to have missed the bit about covering their noses... :facepalm:

Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2020, 12:05:45 pm »
Not according to this from gov.scot
After each use, you must wash the face covering at 60 degrees centigrade or dispose of it safely."

I am using my Buffs but Buffwear says that original Buffs should not be washed hotter than 30°C, so that rules out Buffs as masks in Scotland as I will not be disposing them after I have worn them.

Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2020, 12:11:46 pm »
I'd wash them as you normally do, and then leave them 72 hours before wearing again. After all how many "religious face coverings" are going to be washed at 60C, and how would you check? But they're acceptable. 

Or you could use alcohol, or diluted bleach

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK214356/

Looks like 30 minutes in a 1:100 dilution is recommended.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2020, 12:12:39 pm »
Hmm, i'm not sure where I read the bit about triple-layers. Might be peculiar to the outer Hebrides.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2020, 12:14:21 pm »
Trending on Twitter now: #nomasks and #muzzles.  :facepalm:

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2020, 12:19:54 pm »
I'm not super-bothered either way. I don't think there's much, if any evidence, that they're very effective so there's an element of theatre, go about your business you'll be fine, you're wearing a facemask after all.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2020, 12:32:29 pm »
I've also got a black cloth mask with a plastic vent on the front. Highly theatrical. It has a pouch inside to hold a filter. The filter it came with is marked PM2.5 but who knows what, if any, testing went into that? Actually, I was a bit annoyed because it was supposed to come with two filters but when I opened the packet there was only one. Not sufficiently annoyed to go back and complain though. I've only worn it once, briefly, in a shop. It was rather hot and my voice sounded very muffled even to me. It was also smelly, which I think is the cloth itself. I should probably have washed it before use. I've been told it looks Joe Biden-style but I reckon it's more like an extra from a dystopian sci-fi apocalypse B-movie.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2020, 12:39:42 pm »
I'm not super-bothered either way. I don't think there's much, if any evidence, that they're very effective so there's an element of theatre, go about your business you'll be fine, you're wearing a facemask after all.

There’s none at all that they are veryeffective. But I think we should be doing all we can, including things that look as if they may help even to a limited degree. Add that to all the other things that work to a limited degree...

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2020, 01:58:00 pm »
I'm having some masks made by our Tailor.  ;D
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2020, 04:48:30 pm »
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After each use, you must wash the face covering at 60 degrees centigrade or dispose of it safely."


What? We've just been washing our (made with TLC by my mother) cloth masks along with our hands when we get home. 60 degrees C water does not come out of the tap. How come soap and tap water kills virus on your hands but not on a mask?

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2020, 05:02:39 pm »
Because of the different properties of skin and fabrics? Dunno. But at a guess one of the functions of skin is keeping things out, on the surface where they are accessible to be killed by soap and water, whereas with fabrics any virions landing on the fabric might be within the weave?

Or could be it's not to do with viruses but bacteria which would otherwise grow in a warm, moist environment. Dunno...
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2020, 05:09:46 pm »
Not according to this from gov.scot
After each use, you must wash the face covering at 60 degrees centigrade or dispose of it safely."

I am using my Buffs but Buffwear says that original Buffs should not be washed hotter than 30°C, so that rules out Buffs as masks in Scotland as I will not be disposing them after I have worn them.

Doesn’t really matter if you have enough buffs. The virus only lives for so many hours (72 hours ish) on the fabric, so can wash one buff as normal, then leave it, and use another etc.  So three or four buffs rotated over a week, would be fine if just using to go into shops etc.

The other thing you could do is use a miox water purifier to create a solution that’ll kill the virus. Put buff in that before its main wash. I still have one from when I travelled round the world, and about same size as a large penlight torch!

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2020, 05:15:29 pm »
Textiles are woven, fibrous materials. If you're the size of a virion or bacterium, there's plenty of spaces to hide. Skin is a mostly impermeable tissue coated with lipids and salts.

Don't mess. Buy an autoclave.

I remember my gran used to boil-wash tissues on the stovetop. With hindsight, it explains the distinctive taste of her soups.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2020, 05:30:23 pm »
The first of my masks has arrived. A rather natty shaped version with a wire (etsy 'Masked Machinist' shop). Not used in anger but seems to foul the lip area less than my buff effort.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2020, 05:43:43 pm »
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After each use, you must wash the face covering at 60 degrees centigrade or dispose of it safely."


What? We've just been washing our (made with TLC by my mother) cloth masks along with our hands when we get home. 60 degrees C water does not come out of the tap. How come soap and tap water kills virus on your hands but not on a mask?

Actually, I’d recommend dunking in boiling water, or steaming, for 10 minutes. That’s should sanitise most things  ;D

More soberly, it would seem the advice in Scotland is as random as it is in the UK.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2020, 06:32:32 pm »
Or just wrap it around a small ball of cobalt-60.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2020, 07:08:24 pm »
Then again, half the people I've seen appear to have missed the bit about covering their noses... :facepalm:

There's a image doing the rounds (which of course I can't find now) comparing wearing masks as stated above with wearing underwear (for men).  I'm sure everyone can come up with a mental picture.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2020, 07:15:07 pm »
Then again, half the people I've seen appear to have missed the bit about covering their noses... :facepalm:

There's a image doing the rounds (which of course I can't find now) comparing wearing masks as stated above with wearing underwear (for men).  I'm sure everyone can come up with a mental picture.

I've been thinking about printing that one out and putting posters of it out and about! ;D

Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2020, 07:16:25 pm »
Everyone knows they are not the be-all and end-all. But the evidence that they help is accumulating. How hard is it to grasp?

I read somewhere that what the UK, the US and Brazil have in common is that they have the three highest Covid-19 death rates and they are three countries whose leaders will not use masks as an example to their relative populations.

Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2020, 07:16:49 pm »
Is the yacf still selling buffs?

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2020, 07:42:30 pm »
Is the yacf still selling buffs?
https://sites.google.com/site/paudax/ as per https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=94501.0 for Audax buffs.

I thought YACF buffs were long gone.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2020, 08:29:54 pm »
Then again, half the people I've seen appear to have missed the bit about covering their noses... :facepalm:

There's a image doing the rounds (which of course I can't find now) comparing wearing masks as stated above with wearing underwear (for men).  I'm sure everyone can come up with a mental picture.

I've been thinking about printing that one out and putting posters of it out and about! ;D

 :thumbsup:
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2020, 09:00:05 pm »
Or could be it's not to do with viruses but bacteria which would otherwise grow in a warm, moist environment. Dunno...

Yes, I think that's generic advice based on killing somewhat hardier bacteria.  (There's a reasonable case for not cultivating non-COVID nasties on your mask, especially if they're being shared between users in a healthcare setting.)

FWIW, I've been washing my Buffs at 40C with no ill effect.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2020, 09:53:46 pm »
I've been sticking the "disposable" Tyvek ones in a sink of dilute dettol   & leaving them to dry.  They smell vile anyway.  The elastic cords are a weak point,  I've snapped a couple.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2020, 10:49:14 pm »
FWIW, I've been washing my Buffs at 40C with no ill effect.
On them or you?  ;D
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