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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2020, 11:27:53 pm »
Even going to this extreme:

https://www.jspsafety.com/link/en/respiratory-protection/powercap-infinity-papr/powercap-infinity-complete-unit/a/?parm=NOM041%20%20%20%20%20aeabab&cat=JSP

Currently favoured by dentists!

Does not entirely protect you, and differing filters are relevant for vapours and gases. The size of the Covid 19 virus is 0.12 microns. That is pretty small, much smaller than the holes in a scarf wrapped around your face, although how many of these microns are necessary to infect and cause the disease, is another question?

Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2020, 08:46:53 am »
covid 19 is tiny, yes, but it doesn't float around by itself. Carried by droplets of water - these are captured quite well by fabric masks.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2020, 08:59:16 am »



FWIW, I've been washing my Buffs at 40C with no ill effect.
I believe the scullery maid washes the staff Buffs here at 60c and the Buffs are still fine.
I have a good choice of designs from the trendy YACF design through to the popular and babe-magnet EU flag for days when I'm feeling a bit bold.
Pity I never splashed out on a AUK buff.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2020, 09:07:29 am »
I don't wash anything at 60°C. :demon: Most things (Buffs included) get washed at 40°, stuff like lycra at 30°.

MikeFromLFE

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2020, 01:33:55 pm »



FWIW, I've been washing my Buffs at 40C with no ill effect.
I believe the scullery maid washes the staff Buffs here at 60c and the Buffs are still fine.
I'm wrong.
I've been down to inspect the coppers in the servant's quarters and the girl down there says that they get washed at 40 or 50 depending on whatever else is getting washed at the time.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2020, 02:07:07 pm »
The evidence for the efficacy of cloth face coverings is actually there - they are recommended by the WHO, the CDC in the US and by the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at the University of Oxford here in the UK (amongst other institutions).

Two or three ply is recommended, depending on the material(s) used.  I've got some two ply that can be used on their own or with a PM2.5 filter. 

Do not use a face mask/covering with a valve (as shown in the ad put out by the Department for Health and Social Care - see this tweet from Trish Greeenhalgh) as they defeat the purpose of face coverings.

Trish is, basically, *the* authority on face coverings.  Well worth following her on Twitter.

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2020, 02:21:06 pm »
Interesting, hadn't heard that. I just had a look at mine that has a valve and I suspect the valve is basically cosmetic; there are two layers of cloth behind it and it's in the area covered by the PM2.5 filter, if I put that in.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2020, 02:25:39 pm »
I have some masks with valves, and the only time they've come out during this crisis was when I was doing some grinding for a lockdown fettling project.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2020, 03:10:28 pm »
Interesting, hadn't heard that. I just had a look at mine that has a valve and I suspect the valve is basically cosmetic; there are two layers of cloth behind it and it's in the area covered by the PM2.5 filter, if I put that in.

The valve will still increase the ability for virus particles to escape and therefore the mask should not be used in the context of Covid19 face covering.


Valved masks need to remain in the clinical realm where their use in relation to Covid19 is appropriate.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2020, 03:32:51 pm »
TBH I don't think mine would be allowed in a clinical setting... it fits in better with one of Roger's special dressing up parties!
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2020, 04:51:30 pm »
TBH I don't think mine would be allowed in a clinical setting... it fits in better with one of Roger's special dressing up parties!

I agree.  Proper valved masks are only really useful in clinical settings.  Most of what you can buy on the internet aren't really fit for purpose.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2020, 05:49:20 pm »
The latest one arrived today, Pingu models..
2020-07-15_05-43-21 by The Pingus, on Flickr
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #62 on: July 15, 2020, 09:21:52 pm »
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #63 on: July 15, 2020, 10:21:27 pm »
In the case of surgical masks, I find ones with ties to be much better than ear loops. However, if needs must (current stock seems to be ear loops) I use a face mask ear protector like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B085759SFH/ref=crt_ewc_title_huc_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1N6ZQKZEV2MI8

This improves the fit and helps to avoid getting my bloody hearing aids caught when I take a mask off.

Thank you for that very useful bit of information. I've just taken some round to my father, who proceeded to tell me how he had nearly lots one of his hearing aids when he went to the bank.

He's now a happy person (alright, a less miserable person)
Our son does know who Boz Scaggs is, we've done ok as parents.

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2020, 01:23:37 pm »
https://millinersguild.co.uk/item/lip-reading-masks
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Lip reading masks, same core shape as our classic mask but with a clear window to allow lip reading. Plain colours only as patterns can hinder lip reading. Please get in contact to discuss colours as we are making this item to order.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2020, 10:04:37 pm »
The latest one arrived today, Pingu models..
2020-07-15_05-43-21 by The Pingus, on Flickr

Joy Divison oven gloves face mask !
Want.




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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2020, 10:22:43 pm »
These arrived today. Elastic round the back of the head, think I'll be changing that as I have enough issues with my scalp as it is.
2020-07-16_10-20-51 by The Pingus, on Flickr
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2020, 12:03:59 am »
These arrived today. Elastic round the back of the head, think I'll be changing that as I have enough issues with my scalp as it is.

To be worn with this jersey?
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2020, 08:12:06 am »
That hadn't even occurred to me, but good idea being as I have said jersey!
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MikeFromLFE

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2020, 07:03:32 pm »
Asking for a friend :
Is a gimp mask with zip acceptable?
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2020, 07:06:43 pm »
Acceptable for what?

MikeFromLFE

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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2020, 07:23:55 pm »
Acceptable for what?
My friend didn't say.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2020, 08:34:33 pm »
Is the yacf still selling buffs?

I did the last order in 2012, and could do so again but there would need to be sufficient interest- I need at least 50 for it to be worthwhile.
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Re: Facemasks - fitted or pleated for speech?
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2020, 11:08:49 am »
Other manufacturers are available, I arranged a batch of 20 not buffs for my hiking club with Giraffe, their large log disappears a bit in our design which may not be the case with the yacf design, can't remember who else I looked at, real buffs needed a bath size in the hundreds iirc.

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