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TimC

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2020, 10:17:02 pm »
10,003 ft. Short, compared to Heathrow and Gatwick, but long enough for most purposes. 747s (and A340s, A350s, B787s and 777s) don't go there because there's no demand for longhaul travel from Stansted - and, under normal circumstances, Ryanair and the other locos have got the place stitched up.

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2020, 11:32:06 pm »
Wasn't it a Korean Airlines cargo 747 that crashed when taking off from Stansted ?
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ElyDave

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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2020, 06:51:56 am »
Yes it was.

10,003 ft. Short, compared to Heathrow and Gatwick, but long enough for most purposes. 747s (and A340s, A350s, B787s and 777s) don't go there because there's no demand for longhaul travel from Stansted - and, under normal circumstances, Ryanair and the other locos have got the place stitched up.

Though before lockdown I flew twice from there on Emirates heading east, very much more convenient from north cambs, and I'm just in range of the free pick up for business class.  At the time they seemed to be flying from pretty much any capable airport in the UK
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2020, 09:11:00 am »
Yous made me have a nosey, the only reference to a 747 at Malta I could find was a hijacking that saw the Maltese PM at the time trying to convince the hijackers that they wouldn't be able to take off.
This was told to me by a local chap who was acting as my guide and liaison on a business trip. Didn't check it at all.
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2020, 12:49:51 pm »
I'd do long-haul from Stansted if it was available because Thiefrow and Airwick are a PITA to get to from here.  But no bugger is going to lay on a long-range Airbus just for me and a few other miserable Eastenders chiz.
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« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2020, 03:04:20 pm »
Other than Emirates as above.  AA also used to do a route which my wife used once or twice, then BA moved in, undercut it, so AA pulled out, and BA pulled their flight - Job Done
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2020, 07:26:44 pm »
From @angrypiln aka Scaryduck.
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2020, 08:32:30 pm »
Here's an airliner which managed 545 mph sixty years ago:


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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2020, 10:08:52 pm »
Tu-114.  Bit of a drink problem compared with the current crop and, by all accounts, brain-buggeringly noisy.
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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2020, 10:32:35 pm »
And that was just the pilots  :P

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2020, 12:54:33 am »
Tsk!  Norty Pingu!

Want gin with that? ;)
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2020, 01:10:38 pm »
I’ve always been vaguely troubled by ‘civilian’ airliners which appear to have a bomb-aimer’s window in the nose.

No doubt someone who knows about such things can tell me exactly what the innocent explanation is.

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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2020, 01:32:45 pm »
IIRC, it's a navigator's window.

ETA - worth reading through the replies to this Quora question about the glazed nose on the Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft. WRT commercial aircraft, it mainly boils down to the USSR not being over burdened with electronic navigation beacons, so having a backup navigation mode using the Mk 1 eyeball and a map was considered a good idea. 

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Ilyushin-Il-76-have-glass-under-the-nose
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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2020, 01:59:27 pm »
Ah, that’s interesting, thanks. I’d always wondered why they were common on Soviet airliners, but not the equivalent Western ones.

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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2020, 02:05:10 pm »
Disappointingly, it seems that the fuselage of the Tu-114 was one of the few bits of the thing that was unrelated to the Tu-95 BEAR.
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TimC

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2020, 02:54:54 pm »
Disappointingly, it seems that the fuselage of the Tu-114 was one of the few bits of the thing that was unrelated to the Tu-95 BEAR.

Which is still giving our Typhoon pilots a reason to get  up in the morning...

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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2020, 06:45:28 pm »
Disappointingly, it seems that the fuselage of the Tu-114 was one of the few bits of the thing that was unrelated to the Tu-95 BEAR.

Which is still giving our Typhoon pilots a reason to get up in the morning...

And will, I've read, continue to do so for another 20 years.
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Porkins

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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2020, 10:20:16 pm »
The Tu-114 was from the glory days of Soviet aviation, when they mass-produced severely compromised designs which sort of looked OK, but would never have left the drawing board of a Western designer. The Tu-114 deafened its passengers and its undercarriage was so long that it was out of reach of all the airstairs.

Its replacement, the Il-62, had problems with underpowered engines, which might explain why every other row of seats had been removed from the Aeroflot one I was on once. I think it must have been fun to fly though - here's one being landed on an 800m grass strip so it can become a museum exhibit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=68&v=3w_Qj2jwxi4&feature=emb_logo

More of the story here: http://www.sovietauto.fr/2017/12/insolite-lady-agnes-ou-le-miracle-de-stolln.html

Edit: here's a more complete film of the grass landing with some German text quotes from the pilot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Of55qSsnC8&t=145s  With the help of Google translate I think this is what he said:

[For the recce] I wanted to drop 250m in front of the landing point so that I could see it better. The west side of the little hill behind the forest was marked by strong erosion, so the plane was not allowed to touch down there. The touchdown point had to be exact.

The braking force on the wheels was 9 tonnes. The sandy soil had never been subjected to this force. [I think the risk was that the undercarriage would dig in and snap.]

I came up with the idea of deploying the spoiler at the point of touchdown and holding the nose as high as possible to achieve great air resistance.  [The spoiler is a type of airbrake on the wing] During the final approach, the inner engines were switched off and the reverse thrust of the outer two engines was activated at a height of 50m... a special feature of the Il-62.

Two people on the ground observed the wheels during braking, They said 'release' in their radio when an earth wall built up in front of the wheels. The pilot released the brakes immediately.

Then the internal engines were started again ... the Il-62 rolled on its own initiative over the hill at Gollenberg to the final position.

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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2020, 10:29:39 pm »
Ah, that’s interesting, thanks. I’d always wondered why they were common on Soviet airliners, but not the equivalent Western ones.

Some older western ones had an astrodome for celestial navigation.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

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« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2020, 09:11:41 am »
East German prog rock!  :o
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« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2020, 11:10:28 am »
I think BA do the seat thing on their Embraer 190s so they can use London City.  I've never had that much legroom in Cattle Class on any other plane.
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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2020, 10:26:56 am »

Looks like Quantas have also retired their 747 fleet. Tho they did it with more style...



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