Author Topic: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?  (Read 1943 times)

Jaded

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Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« on: February 03, 2021, 05:54:23 pm »
I have a Teams meeting next week and it won't work on OSX, I get a restart message in a loop... I'm told to try the online version. If I try in Safari I am told it won't work in Safari.

I imagined there was a reason why they hadn't installed it with Orifice365. Is it because it is ****?
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2021, 06:03:01 pm »
Interesting because the software works on my Mac on OS X Mojave.
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ian

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2021, 06:10:08 pm »
The Teams app works on both my Macbooks (it's a fact of modern life that I'm sometimes in two meetings simultaneously).
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2021, 06:10:51 pm »
Works on my Chromebook, and my Samsung phone, also Mdm Flatus's Mac.

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2021, 06:17:58 pm »
Seems to work OK on my colleagues' Appley things.

ian

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2021, 06:20:38 pm »
I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 06:24:09 pm »
Did you mean OS X?  If so, thats probably the answer.  Apple dropped support for El Capitan, the last version of OS X in 2019.  So it seems unlikely that third parties like Microsoft would support it.

ian

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 06:41:19 pm »
My old Macbook Air (mid-2011 edition) that I use for meetings I don't care about runs macOS High Sierra. Doesn't even struggle with Teams and multiple video streams, even the fan rarely bothers to wake up.
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Jaded

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 07:17:14 pm »
Did you mean OS X?  If so, thats probably the answer.  Apple dropped support for El Capitan, the last version of OS X in 2019.  So it seems unlikely that third parties like Microsoft would support it.

The last version of OSX was Catalina, and the one before that Mojave, then High Sierra, then Sierra, and then El Capitan.

Big Sur is the first version of OSII or whatever it is called and no I didn't mean OSX but it's a term of the OS that is stuck in my head! (It's a bit like calling Windows Windpipe or WindScreen)
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2021, 07:25:36 pm »
It's fine on Windows. Wins for internal meetings if you're an Office and Windows house. Not as good as Zoom in my view for social and other gatherings where people are all on different set-ups and not part of the same Windows domain.

Kim

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2021, 07:26:37 pm »
I hate to say it, but it's vastly less awful than Webex.

There's a natural hierarchy to these things.

Webex < Teams < FaceTime < Zoom < IRC
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2021, 07:51:33 pm »
I suppose an advantage of Multi-User-NotepadVi is that you can't subject others to your excruciating PPTs.

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2021, 09:27:28 pm »
I suppose an advantage of Multi-User-NotepadVi is that you can't subject others to your excruciating PPTs.

One of my colleagues does presentations/demos with text files shown in Notepad over Teams.
It's excruciating, but that covers more than just his presentation style.

I'm not sure if I've got away with stating during a meeting that the way that's was documented for doing a docker-compose up  was "backwards" compared to just clicking the play button in the docker-compose file in IntelliJ and if you do it that way you'll even get all the extra benefits of linking the IDE to the tools IntelliJ does, or not yet.
That's not to say that knowing the command isn't handy, but the IntelliJ terminal even shows you the commands for what you're doing and is much less painful for day to day operation, and I don't accidentally kill the wrong cmd or powershell window

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You can tell whose gone bargain basement on their internet connection with Teams too.

Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2021, 07:22:46 am »
It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful.  SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2021, 08:39:28 am »
It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful.  SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.

Oh god tthis ^

We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.

For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2021, 09:19:46 am »
It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful.  SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.

Oh god tthis ^

We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.

For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.
As others have said, teams works perfectly well in the Mac environment.  I have used it for multiple meetings and also on my iPhone.  The court system seems to run 50:50 on the specialist court platform and Teams.
I agree though why it does not simply open the desktop app from a calendar appointment

ian

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2021, 09:32:32 am »
It works ok for meetings but the file sharing part, which I think is underpinned by SharePoint, is awful.  SharePoint is among the worst pieces of Friday afternoon software ever to have escaped into production.

Oh god tthis ^

We are a dispersed team and use Teams heavily along with storing documents for projects on it. No one can ever find the file they want, the Teams file browser is truly awful.

For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.

I just use the calendar in Teams.

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2021, 01:33:36 pm »
Sharepoint makes it really easy to store and share files with colleagues. Making that easy is really bad idea, if you don't have anything in place to control and manage how they are stored and how they are found again - you get loads of copies of different versions of the same file, many in the most unlikely places. Sometimes, making it just a little harder, and therefore requiring of a little more thought, can be much more effective when, six months later, you want to find the same file again and know that you can rely on the version that you have being current.

Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2021, 02:39:14 pm »
For meetings if your all in the same company it works surprisingly well most of the time though why it has to fire up a bowser window and ask you to choose either the we based version or the app when you click on the meeting in Outlook rather than just launch the Teams desktop app is beyond me.

Doesn't for me, just goes straight to the app based version. 

I loathe sharepoint.
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2021, 02:55:09 pm »
Teams is shit.

It chews bandwidth. Running in the background, no meeting, it uses over 0.5Mb of my download.

Conveniently integrates with Outlook. Messages left in meeting chats are 'persistent', so you can reference them later.

Those are the only good points.
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2021, 03:22:22 pm »
I reckon its shit.  Just spent 10 minutes trying to install it because a stupid training session I'm booked for uses it (I've already got Zoom and GoTo Meeting, don't really want another one, especially anything by Microsoft) and of course it insists I have a Microsoft account, which I don't, then asks me what I want to use it for, then tries to direct me to skype instead, then asks me to download the desktop app (I've already downloaded it you cretins, we're in the middle of installing it right now!) and then I try to start it, and a blank white box appears.  I've now got a purple circle of "maybe I'm thinking of doing something, maybe I'm not" running, but that's all. Nothing actually happening.

Maybe it'll actually do something before my training session next Wednesday, but I'm not banking on it.  Its not as it my PC is that tardy, its a decent i7, with 32GB of RAM, SSDs, and kept devoid of excess crap (apart from MS Teams, of course).

I was sufficiently grumpy about the training as it was.  Its for a charity I'm a trustee of, I have to pay £18 for it, then it turns out its only 1.5 hrs, and its scheduled from 1100 to 1230.  Could they possibly have found a less convenient timeslot if they'd really, really tried?  It will effectively prevent me doing my usual work at that charity that day, as its 7.5 miles from home, and I'm not driving back and forth twice, and still missing half the working day.
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2021, 03:26:09 pm »
Messages left in meeting chats are 'persistent', so you can reference them later.

Don't rely on that. My Team was using the chats as a record of things and then one day whoever manages our corporate Teams account decide that messages wont be persistent without telling us.
Now they disappear after 24 hours and we lost loads of stuff.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that.

Jaded

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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2021, 04:28:24 pm »
Good to hear Wombat having problems.

Mine not resolved. I get this (full window):



If I click on Restart I get to choose my account, then it goes straight back to this screen.
As you might expect, 'signing out' doesn't work.

Neither does googling the Error code, nor
Deleting the app and all its settings, caches and so on, and reinstalling

I think I might try it in Win 10 on Parallels...
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2021, 05:04:11 pm »
Speaking of managing corp Teams, ours removed the ability for you to create your own team without telling us.
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Re: Microsoft Teams - is it ****?
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2021, 05:09:43 pm »
My first Microsoft account was for a supplier system, because they adopted O365 etc. before we did. It's now used on one or two other things too - we  no longer work with that supplier. So I have two accounts on my office email, one for work and one "personal" = for work that's not on work systems. Every time I log into anything, Sharepoint and OneDrive included, I risk the two getting muddled and blocking each other. And changing passwords...