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Team sport GPS accuracy
« on: 06 January, 2023, 10:49:01 am »
Just put this here as non-cycling related.  As the title, say for a hockey match, how accurate is a GPS logged track likely to be for duration of match or training?  Also GPS distance vs say fitbit accelerometer measured distance accuracy in said hockey match?

Any thoughts/ experiences..?
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Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #1 on: 06 January, 2023, 11:30:45 am »
I suspect it would depend on the device. Pro footballers wear those vests that track their movements (and a bunch of other stuff), but I don't know if your watch or whatever could log it so well.

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Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #2 on: 06 January, 2023, 01:07:26 pm »
Assuming a GPS unit functionally akin to the sort of thing we use on our bikes, the greatest source of inaccuracy is deliberate filtering of the logged position.  For track racing, there's a vast difference between tracks recorded at one-point-per-second and those using the usual record-a-point-when-there's-a-significant-change-in-velocity algorithm.  It's still pretty rubbish for the tight turns on an (outdoor) velodrome.

Once you've solved that with sensible settings, you're at the practical limit of a standard GPS receiver.  Maybe 2-3 metres locational precision, surprisingly accurate absolute speed and one sample per second.  I wouldn't think that would be sufficient for anything more than an arbitrary "how much the player has run around" metric for something like a hockey match, as much of their movement will be well above the Nyquist limit.

So yeah, accelerometers and such, sampled at a much higher rate would be more useful, though those won't give you an absolute position, and will likely make poor assumptions about distance travelled when algorithms designed for running try to make sense of someone scrabbling for a ball.  Pretty good as a measure of activity, though, especially if you also have heart rate and whatever.

If you actually want to track a player's position on the pitch to sub-metre accuracy, I think you'd need some specialist equipment.  Which may be little more than strategically positioned cameras and some clever algorithm, or transponders and such.  I expect this all exists for professional ballsports...

Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #3 on: 08 January, 2023, 08:00:49 pm »
Thanks.  miniao is having issues with a non-GPS fitbit so thinking about Garmin or fitbit GPS watch for hockey training/matches.  Already determined that bluetooth range for 'connected GPS' (non-GPS fitbit to phone app) is not sufficient.  So it looks like GPS track logging would be an approximation, but still potentially useful.
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Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #4 on: 08 January, 2023, 08:22:13 pm »
Having seen the GPX tracks from Mrs P's Fitbit I'd surprised if it would be any use for your porpoises.

Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #5 on: 08 January, 2023, 10:26:10 pm »
A Fitbit accelerometer is based on arm movements to count steps etc. Maybe holding a hockey stick will confuse it, as less arm movement compared to just running?
Something using a footpod or a chest strap could be more accurate.

For GPS, should be pretty good. Assuming outdoors, and a clear view of the sky, no tall buildings or stadiums etc.
Though what Kim says, make sure it is recording 1 point per second. Some of the latest Garmin watches have a new GPS chipset, supposed to be more accurate.

Though are you allowed to wear a watch while playing hockey? I'm be worried about it getting hit, possibly causing injury.

Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #6 on: 09 January, 2023, 08:43:21 am »
A friend wears a GPS watch for tennis. You could hang the resulting track up in the Tate Modern. It does look like movement rather than random shifts

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Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #7 on: 10 January, 2023, 04:33:25 pm »
Point of order, different Fitbit models use GPS differently. There are some that use the connection to your mobile to improve the accuracy of the GPS (or maybe it's just to improve the signal, I can't remember), mine does not.
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Re: Team sport GPS accuracy
« Reply #8 on: 10 January, 2023, 05:47:01 pm »
The sort of thing used in professional sport: https://www.johansports.com/v6-live-4g-5g. Claimed accuracy is 30cm position and 0.05m/s speed; using GPS, accelerometers, gyros, magnetometers.

As for phones, newer phones are better than older phones as they support more GNSS frequencies. Some GPS receivers use carrier phase tracking to improve accuracy, but most phones don't do this because it uses more power as the GPS recevier has to be on all the time and phones generally duty cycle parts of the receiver while tracking. On an android phone there is "Force full GNSS measurements" under "Developer options" that enables carrier phase tracking and with the right software you might be able to get a more accurate track. Google claims better than 1m accuracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vywGgSrGODU&t=1660s