Free maps for Garmin

[andygates]

Yay, map-making glory!

I've taken the 15-Jan-02009 ComputerTeddy OSM tiles for the UK and Ireland and combined those with the SMC's topo to give UK & Ireland streets & topo.  It's available for download here:

Index of /andyg/maps

Let me know if there are any problems. I'm off for a ride to check it out!  


Geeknote: I ended up getting the tiles the old-fashioned way, using the tile identifier to make a list, then using a porn download plugin called DownThemAll to suck down a bucket of tiles, deleted the ones I didn't need, unzipped 'em, and fed those and the SMC contours through Sendmap.  Yes, it could be automated better!)

This is the tile list I used (there are a few of these tiles non-existent, which will mean "nothing to see but sea"):

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[nuttycyclist]

...Geeknote: I ended up getting the tiles the old-fashioned way, using the tile identifier to make a list, then using a porn download plugin called DownThemAll to suck down a bucket of tiles, deleted the ones I didn't need, unzipped 'em, and fed those and the SMC contours through Sendmap.  Yes, it could be automated better!)

This is the tile list I used (there are a few of these tiles non-existent, which will mean "nothing to see but sea"):

...

Your download is too big for my qlandkarte application which just crashes now.  Also I only have an old eTrex Legend that has an internal 8mb memory.

How can I identify the tiles here in Southend?   And will I be able to get this map onto the legend?  (From memory I had to use Mapsource to put Mapsource files onto it.)


On a more positive note, I found the GPS and it seems to work ok despite having been in the cupboard since 2005.  I have also found the old windows 2000 machine with serial port that had mapsource installed back in 2005 when I last used the GPS.  Just got to find the cable now...



I'm guessing (hoping) that if I get the OSM maps onto the legend then I'll be able to cycle around and more easily see all the missing roads...

[tonycollinet]

Just one tile covers southend, and goes nearly as far west as London, and east nearly to whitstable, north past halstead, and south past hawkhurst.

You can see it here:
Coordinate-To-OSM-Tile
Just zoom into the map, and select the tile. The tile number is:
63272542.img

If you want to cover a larger area, select more tiles with a right click, left click as described on the page. If you are only downloading a few it is easy enough to do manually.

You will need to use sendmap20 to convert it to garmin format.

[nuttycyclist]

Excellent, thanks 

That tile is just 3.7mb, so I hope that once I've used sendmap the garmin file will still be less than 8mb.
(note to self, try and find that application, download and install - is it windows or can I use ubuntu?)

I haven't plugged the GPS in yet though...  I only have a serial cable and this ubuntu box only has USB ports.

 Setup - driver - dropdown list, the last two items are Garmin serial, no idea if they work though.

Sorry misread your post, you can get usb - serial leads.

If I get this adapter will it work?    The driver setup in the qlandkarte screen says

Device

Settings are ignored for USB devices

Serial Port      /dev/ttyS0

[frankly frankie]

I haven't found a use for Sendmap - but MapSetToolKit
http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/home
can get these .img maps into Mapsource, and thence into the GPS, optionally mixed with other Mapsource maps.

It also needs cgpsMapper, which is downloadable in several versions from 'free' to '$x0,000' - the free version works fine for this purpose.  MapSetToolKit acts as the GUI front-end for cgpsmapper. You also need a walk-through tutorial - but all this is linked from the above link.

These OSM map tiles are (at present) quite small (file size) so its no problem to get several into your GPS memory.

In total I do it (Win XP) with 2 urls, the first to identify the tiles I want and the 2nd to download them:
http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html
http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/
and the two free programs MapSetToolKit and cgpsMapper, you also need to be able to extract the compressed downloadable files, which shouldn't be a problem.

[tonycollinet]

Looking at the reviews for that one, I'd go for this one instead:
USB to RS232 - USB Converter Cable: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo

Someone has reviewed it and says it works with their Garmin.

[inc]

will it work? 
  
The driver setup in the qlandkarte screen says

Settings are ignored for USB devices

Serial Port      /dev/ttyS0

Not all usb/ serial leads are wired the same way, the one Tony has linked looks like it may work. Linux has a kernel driver for serial-usb connection which uses /dev/ttyS0 so that should work.

[andygates]

That tile is just 3.7mb, so I hope that once I've used sendmap the garmin file will still be less than 8mb.
(note to self, try and find that application, download and install - is it windows or can I use ubuntu?)

Sendmap for Windows: http://www.cgpsmapper.com/download/sendmap20.zip

Sendmap for Linux: http://www.cgpsmapper.com/download/sendmap20.gz

[nuttycyclist]

Thanks Andy, I'll have a go with the Linux one.

But, I have got sendmap on the windows 2000 box that I used for the garmin.  I have that tile in the directory too.

From the command line in the directory I type

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sendmap20 -l 63272542.img
I get screen output starting "Sendmap20 rev 6.1"... and then the floppy drive chunks away, popping up a message that there is no disc in the drive    When I hit cancel the dos window then gives a line of output of "USB storage found but no GARMIN directory.  Create manually GARMIN directory." 


What am I doing wrong???

[nuttycyclist]

sendmap20 for linux downloaded.  Unzipped.  Properties changed to mark as executable.

From the command line I type

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sendmap20 -l 63272542.img
the command window returns

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bash: sendmap20: command not found


Why is this so complicated and not "out of the box working"?     I'm beginning to feel about OSM and all things related in the same manner as apple and itunes!

[nuttycyclist]

I haven't found a use for Sendmap - but MapSetToolKit
http://cypherman1.googlepages.com/home
can get these .img maps into Mapsource, and thence into the GPS, optionally mixed with other Mapsource maps.

It also needs cgpsMapper, which is downloadable in several versions from 'free' to '$x0,000' - the free version works fine for this purpose.  MapSetToolKit acts as the GUI front-end for cgpsmapper. You also need a walk-through tutorial - but all this is linked from the above link.

These OSM map tiles are (at present) quite small (file size) so its no problem to get several into your GPS memory.

In total I do it (Win XP) with 2 urls, the first to identify the tiles I want and the 2nd to download them:
http://ulrichkuester.de/OSM/CoordinateToOSMTile.html
http://osm.ammit.de/osm/latest/img/
and the two free programs MapSetToolKit and cgpsMapper, you also need to be able to extract the compressed downloadable files, which shouldn't be a problem.

the dos window that mapsettoolkit popped up eventually scrolled lots of errors through it (which I didn't get a chance to note down as the window then closed).

Although the "southend_tile" map does appear in the dropdown of my mapsource (version 4.09) when I select it I get a "problem report" window with the option to submit a bugcheck to Garmin

[nuttycyclist]

For running it in Linux: Linux usually doesn't execute files unless they are in particular directories (the PATH), and your home directory should not be in the PATH. If you want to execute something not in the PATH, you have to specify the full directory path, or to run it from the current directory use ./
ie this should work

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./sendmap20

Yay!   A GMAPSUPP.IMG file appeared 

And why are you running it with the -l attribute? I think that's to create a file, which is for the Garmins which work as a USB mass storage device. If you're using a serial Garmin I think you want the -t attribute to specify a port.

And you know there is a GUI for the Windows version of sendmap? It might help.

I'm just trying to follow all the instructions I've been given     I was under the impression I had to use sendmap to convert the downloaded .img file to a .img that the device could use.  Now I have the gmapsupp.img file I need to try to work out how to get it onto the device, which I thought I had to use mapsource for, but mapsource doesn't seem to work now I've tried the maptoolset thingy.

No I wasn't aware that a GUI existed.  I think that OSM site and associated help files is written by geeks and for geeks, I'm really struggling here. 

What is the command line to use ON A WINDOWS 2000 computer that will take the .img file I have downloaded and that will put it on my serial connected legend

[nuttycyclist]

Doh!   Didn't think of double clicking as everything on the web was talking about a command line.


I've double clicked and got the gui.  Clicked "Add Maps".  Selected the .img file downloaded. 

sendmap20.exe has generated errors and will be closed by windows.

[nuttycyclist]

The command line "sendmap20 -tcom2 63272542.img" ran for a bit..

detected  :  eTrex Legend Software Version 2.39
Available Memory : 7mb
Max number of maps : 525
Final map size : 3 mb
Can't change the speed - trying to restore communication...
Cannot change speed, trying to use the default speed

[nuttycyclist]

Ahhh...   added -s57600 to that command line...

GPS screen now blank and "transferring data"

[nuttycyclist]

Up to 26% so far 

This is exciting!

[nuttycyclist]

SUCCESS!!!!!


Thanks Craig.

[nuttycyclist]

Right.  Final question for tonight.

Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link.  It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?

I'm thinking of going to the boundary and mapping the streets of Hadleigh tomorrow.  Is it ok to just put the GPS onto the bike, cycle all the streets and then upload a single trace, or do they want individual traces per street?  (having played with "edit map" in play mode a few times I see that some roads are part of a "way" which implies each road has been mapped individually - is this something that JOSM (not yet installed) can do at a later date?

[David Martin]

Right.  Final question for tonight.

Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link.  It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?

I'm thinking of going to the boundary and mapping the streets of Hadleigh tomorrow.  Is it ok to just put the GPS onto the bike, cycle all the streets and then upload a single trace, or do they want individual traces per street?  (having played with "edit map" in play mode a few times I see that some roads are part of a "way" which implies each road has been mapped individually - is this something that JOSM (not yet installed) can do at a later date?

From my limited experience - just upload the entire GPS file.
Then trace each street as a separate way (as then it can be named etc.). JOSM takes a bit of getting used to (the scroll wheel zoom is centered on the mouse position) but is pretty functional. I find 1 point per second and cycling slowly round features like roundabouts is fine.

With road construction, there is plenty of help in the Wiki.

BTW, roads at the level of a cheap road atlas? Luxury! Parts of Tayside still have 'here be dragons' on.

..d

[andrew_s]

Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link.  It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?

Out of Southend probably comes from where people have put on GPS tracks from random journeys rather than going out surveying. Residential roads mostly only get done when someone goes out on a proper survey.
There are areas that have been put on from sources such as out of copyright OS maps (New Popular Edition - NPE) or Yahoo aerial photography, but these should have "source=NPE" or similar tags on the features.

[frankly frankie]

Congrats on your success so far.  Just backtracking a bit ...

the dos window that mapsettoolkit popped up eventually scrolled lots of errors through it (which I didn't get a chance to note down as the window then closed).

Are you sure they were errors then.
A load of scrolling text in the DOS window, which then closes, is normal.

Although the "southend_tile" map does appear in the dropdown of my mapsource (version 4.09) when I select it I get a "problem report" window with the option to submit a bugcheck to Garmin

Well if its still broken Mapsettoolkit has a 'remove maps' option, might be worth a try.

Residential roads mostly only get done when someone goes out on a proper survey.

... for which the wiki recommends skateboard or inline skates, BTW. 

[tonycollinet]

Right.  Final question for tonight.

Looking at the OSM site, it seems that Southend is mapped but only up to the boundary link.  It has made me wonder where the mapping has come from as outside of Southend it looks like a standard cheap road atlas so was a base map loaded from somewhere?

If you go into the potlatch editor (which is the one  you get to when logged in and you click the edit tab on the website), you can click a route, and then press H (capital) for history. This gives the name of the person who edited it.

As pointed out above - if traced from a base map, there should be a source reference.

[tonycollinet]

No I wasn't aware that a GUI existed.  I think that OSM site and associated help files is written by geeks and for geeks, I'm really struggling here. 

I think you are right - even as a self confessed geek - I'm struggling with some of the stuff. For example, I gave up with the sendmap command line, and found the gui by accident.

[andygates]

Sendmap's GUI?  Just double-click it.  Command line is for people with no tan.

[andygates]

I kinda feel for the couple of guys who've mapped Torshaven on the Faroes.  Or the chap who did Stanley.