Author Topic: Free maps for Garmin  (Read 193710 times)

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #350 on: 13 May, 2009, 09:24:36 am »
On prohibitions:  If you're using JOSM, select Presets > Highway > Restrictions and you get a dialog with all the common ones.  I use "hgv=no" a lot. 

On how to do bits and bobs: The old HTML trick of looking at how someone else did it works for me.  Find a bit of map that looks done right, and steal the tags.   :demon:

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Just to add, I think its generally better to draw cycle tracks as separate ways, even if they are pretty close to the road. Because it means you can add tags for surface and foot=yes etc, and you can actually see what side of the roads its on.

Until the regular highway tags can handle the sidedness of cycle farcilities, I'm sticking with marking them as separate ways.   :thumbsup:
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andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #351 on: 13 May, 2009, 03:12:03 pm »
I'm thinking about trail quality, motivated by some speculation on ski run mapping.

There are a set of trail quality tags already.  The way I can see to mark it on a map would be to blaze the existing trail with ski-style colour, so you'd have:

Unblazed: No quality information.
Green: Excellent quality / safe trail for kids / wheelchair friendly / yadda yadda
Blue: Good quality / regular stuff
Red: Poor quality / some technical sections / not wheelchairy
Black: Technical / rutty / mild peril

Worth doing?  Or too specialist, and would only clutter up a general map?
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Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #352 on: 13 May, 2009, 03:14:03 pm »
I'd say too specialist, too changeable, and too cluttery.

e.g. I've put a couple of bridleways on the map, because that's what they are.  In the summer I'd ride them on 700x23C, in the autumn/spring I can't rdie them as the horses have churned the surface up too much.

The info is also based on user perception.  My "Blue" would be notsototalnewbie's black.

Craig

Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #353 on: 13 May, 2009, 05:49:26 pm »
The Green / Blue / Red / Black scale is already fairly commonly used for mountain bike trails, so it seems potentially confusing to use it on a more general cycling map with different definitions.
eg even a Blue grade mountain bike trail can have some pretty narrow/technical sections, with rocks and jumps etc.

Also, what nutty says, its a bit too detailed. I'd say have tarmac/hard packed gravel (suitable for your average road/touring bike) drawn one way, then anything worse quality (where a mountain bike would be more use) drawn in another.

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #354 on: 15 May, 2009, 04:32:59 pm »
Tried it.  Was foul.  Back to normal.
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andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #355 on: 23 May, 2009, 05:04:38 pm »
Next run will include railway=dismantled as a generic trail.  I spent a lot of time on one early this morning, and it wasn't on the ol' gipper despite being on the map. 
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Plax

Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #356 on: 28 May, 2009, 08:43:08 pm »
I've managed to put the OSM on my Garmin 705. There's an awful lot of "backroads" on it that don't show up. My GPS just shows me cycling along nothing. I've had a look at the wiki tutorial and my eyes glazed over when it started going on about creating gpx files (must be a girl thing, this link just well put me off Making GPX Tracks - OpenStreetMap).  Is there an easier way to upload your routes to populate the missing data?  I've seen GPSBabel is this what I need? If it is just a case of importing my data to the GPSbabel for it to create the gpx file and then uploading it to OSM I might just cope.

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #357 on: 28 May, 2009, 10:50:20 pm »
If it is just a case of importing my data to the GPSbabel for it to create the gpx file and then uploading it to OSM I might just cope.

Yes, that will do nicely.  Make sure you tick the "public" box when uploading them, so that other folk can see them too.

You or others can then trace over the GPS trace to put down those little backroads.

I really love chasing them down and hooning off into "unmapped space".  It gets a bit dog-chasing-cars-ish for me...  O:-)
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Plax

Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #358 on: 29 May, 2009, 01:02:09 pm »
If it is just a case of importing my data to the GPSbabel for it to create the gpx file and then uploading it to OSM I might just cope.

Yes, that will do nicely.  Make sure you tick the "public" box when uploading them, so that other folk can see them too.

You or others can then trace over the GPS trace to put down those little backroads.

I really love chasing them down and hooning off into "unmapped space".  It gets a bit dog-chasing-cars-ish for me...  O:-)

Cheers, I'll have a go of that at the weekend and see how I get on!

Richard Fairhurst

  • on the trail of the little blue stickers
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #359 on: 29 May, 2009, 02:42:27 pm »
If you open Potlatch (the 'Edit' tab in OpenStreetMap) and click 'Help' in the bottom left, there's a fairly newbie-friendly tutorial there... I hope!
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andym

  • Expat Cyclist
    • AndysRockets
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #360 on: 29 May, 2009, 06:32:22 pm »
prolly makes sense to save green/blue/red/black for properly maintained "xc" trails.

came across openmtbmap.org the other day.  not loaded any maps up yet though.  will report back when I do.  no idea how they distinguish between different grades of roads, paths, etc.
was looking for mapping of luxembourg containing usable road/off-road trails, but found that my German gmapsupp.img file already contained luxembourg :) 
AndyM

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #361 on: 29 May, 2009, 08:35:09 pm »
Aye, the way forward does seem to be specific renders for specific uses - openpistemap is another one that even *more* obviously has no real place on a general map.  I'd really like to see subtle hillshading on the main OSM map, for the bling. 

This week's map update is up at http://ravenfamily.org/andyg/maps.  It's a bit late 'cos I've been poorly sick (aww) and tweaking the style (yay).  Improvements are:

* Changed trunk roads to green, to match general usage.  This is my first actual design compromise, 'cos I think it's unpretty but it *is* easier for driver route planning and I was specifically asked to do it. 

* Added a distinctive trail type for bridleways.  It's a big dot little dot kinda thing, so it looks like a "special path" next to the dot dot dot "regular path".  We have a legal right to ride on bridleways so they're a good bet if you're guessing where to go...

* Added abandoned railways (OSM tag railway=abandoned) as general trail-type ways, after being up on Dartmoor and noticing that several useful hiking trails which were tagged thus didn't show up. 

* New icon for cafes, to match the OSM "cup of tea".   :thumbsup:

* Bicycle rental added with the same icon as bike shops (OSM tag amenity = bicycle_rental).  There's usually a lot of crossover between bike shops and bike rentals, so both are good to pop in for a puncture kit, but the regular render misses places that are primarily hire.  Not any more.

* Tidied up roundabout rendering.  There was some fugliness and now there is not; roundabouts are properly drawn in the style of their road. 

If anyone's playing with restyling mkgmap output, the current style files are up there in a zip as well.
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Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #362 on: 29 May, 2009, 11:14:24 pm »
Quick question re all these places (cafes, bike rental, etc)

Any idea how I can search for them?  GarminPOI etc?   


I was out the other week and although I could see the public toilets/other OSM points on the screen, I couldn't locate the nearest via a search screen.

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #363 on: 29 May, 2009, 11:37:33 pm »
Find > various POI.  Find > Food gets cafes, but weirdly, I can't see how to search for pubs.  Loos would be nice to appear in Community but don't.  I'll look into whether that can be tweaked.  Anyone else? 
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Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #364 on: 29 May, 2009, 11:45:49 pm »
Find > various POI.  Find > Food gets cafes, but weirdly, I can't see how to search for pubs.  Loos would be nice to appear in Community but don't.  I'll look into whether that can be tweaked.  Anyone else?  

I was outside a pub with an icon on screen.

Find > food

Find > accomodation

Find > anyfink I could think of

none seemed to find it  :-\

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #365 on: 29 May, 2009, 11:54:54 pm »
I can reproduce exactly that.  Weird as hell.  It's like the interface had a dose of Mormons.
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Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #366 on: 30 May, 2009, 12:37:31 am »
Glad it's not just me  :smug:


Can we blame iTunes?

Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #367 on: 30 May, 2009, 07:15:24 am »
Find > various POI.  Find > Food gets cafes, but weirdly, I can't see how to search for pubs.  Loos would be nice to appear in Community but don't.  I'll look into whether that can be tweaked.  Anyone else? 

This works for me (on my map):
OSM tag: amenity=pub
style points file: amenity=pub [0x2d02 resolution 20]

Can be found under Entertainment | Bar/Nightclub.
Works both in MapSource and on Garmin Vista Hcx.

Tal.

andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #368 on: 30 May, 2009, 11:05:50 pm »
That must be it - I've got 4600, the Garmin default according to the typ editor.  Do you have to specify an icon? 

(it's bloomin' weird that it'll display them but not have them as POI -- I could handle not appearing at all, but this halfway thing is odd)

I'll give your 2d02 a try. :thumbsup:
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andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #369 on: 31 May, 2009, 07:55:33 pm »
Yup, that sorted it.  The new version is uploaded - pubs now appear as searchable names and browseable in "Entertainment".  Thanks for the tip! :thumbsup:
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HELP - Please - for frustrated newbie.
« Reply #370 on: 02 June, 2009, 02:45:55 pm »
OK - so I finally got my Garmin (Legend HCx)   - and a 2GB Micro SD card.

I can turn it on  :) - log tracks to the SD card - even upload them to OSM and trace some missing paths near me.  Installed Mapsource on the PC - and can see the tracks in there, so I know pretty much everything is working.

I wanted to try out Andy Gates' Munky maps - so I've downloaded the latest GMAPSUPP.IMG to my SD card.... but cannot figure out how to persuade the unit to use that in place of the stupid base map  (which seems to be on the unit itself - and invisible to the PC even in USB Mass Storage Mode)    ???


andygates

  • Peroxide Viking
Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #371 on: 02 June, 2009, 03:05:03 pm »
In Mass Storage Mode there should be a folder called Garmin.  If there isn't, make it.  Put GMAPSUPP.IMG in that folder, and Bob's your uncle. :thumbsup:

In Mass Storage Mode, the Garmin ought to look like a USB drive - say, G: - so the full path would be G:\Garmin\GMAPSUPP.IMG

If it doesn't appear, try removing the Garmin drivers, rebooting, and reinstalling them.

The basemap is, indeed, built in and stupid.  It's a great indication that something is wrong :)
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frankly frankie

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Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #372 on: 02 June, 2009, 04:46:39 pm »
And in the Garmin you can switch map tiles on and off (just in case they're loaded but not 'on' for some reason) in Map Setup, 5th tab across.  This is useful if you have more than one map of the same area but the wrong one is taking precedence.
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Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #373 on: 02 June, 2009, 06:34:58 pm »
Thanks guys
The Garmin folder did indeed turn Robert into my mother's brother....

Re: Free maps for Garmin
« Reply #374 on: 02 June, 2009, 07:43:09 pm »
I predict that you will love Andy's maps.  I do.

I had a convert round the other day - went with him to help him choose 'his first bike'!!   We sat in my back garden drinking coffee and he telling me all about the OSM project.  He's been involved for a long time and the mapping of Rugby for instance is almost entirely down to his hard work.   He's going to guide me through the tech aspects of me getting involved.

We had a play with my Garmin GPS60CSX.   He looked at the map data and said, you've got OSM on here.   Looks a bit different though.   :thumbsup: