Extended Calendar Events; A Marriage made in Heaven?

[kcass]

Enter 600+100 ECE, then
- sleep in proper bed Chepstow/Aust
- 0600 Ride BCM (619k)
- 2200 Sunday finish -> proper bed @Chepstow/Aust
- 0400 Get up after 6hrs* sleep/eating/chatting/faffing

*If finish BCM late, I'll still get 3-4hrs sleep. Just enough!

Then the entire ECE 700 wouldn't be validated

[Greenbank]

Enter 600+100 ECE, then
- sleep in proper bed Chepstow/Aust
- 0600 Ride BCM (619k)
- 2200 Sunday finish -> proper bed @Chepstow/Aust
- 0400 Get up after 6hrs* sleep/eating/chatting/faffing

*If finish BCM late, I'll still get 3-4hrs sleep. Just enough!

Then the entire ECE 700 wouldn't be validated

I think he means finish the BCM close to the 10pm BRM deadline. 10pm finish and 4am wake up is 6 hours sleep minus the time spent chatting at the finish of the BCM, faffing around collecting bags, cycling back over the bridge to the SV Services, checking in, getting to the room, etc, etc.

[kcass]

Oh yeah. Sorry 

[Martin]

yes I think he meant that too but be aware that if you do not finish the calendar event in time you will not be able to claim an ECE.  The reverse does however apply, the aim of ECE's is to encourage riders to extend existing events, if you fail the ECE portion you've still entered and paid for the calendar event separately and it's all yours.

[mattc]

yes I think he meant that too but be aware that if you do not finish the calendar event in time you will not be able to claim an ECE.

Yes, that's what I meant. Hoorah, I got something right!

(I finished near enough bang-on 40hrs in 08, after a reasonable kip at the YH, so it seemed like a reasonable 'schedule'.)

[Martin]

please don't send .axe files with prospective entries for the time being; my newly installed autoroute doesn't seem to like some of them unless they have the correct Masonic handshake; just a list of controls please.

same goes for DIY's

Thanks  

[The Seldom Killer]

OK, I've read through this thread and now my brain has melted to a quick yay or nay question.

If I ride a 200k ECE on top of a 400k ride, do I get to claim the kit and kaboodle as a 600k for the purposes of an SR?

[border-rider]

yes

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But it wouldn't be a BRM, if that mattered to you.

Hid to make it a yay or nay answer

[Greenbank]

OK, I've read through this thread and now my brain has melted to a quick yay or nay question.

If I ride a 200k ECE on top of a 400k ride, do I get to claim the kit and kaboodle as a 600k for the purposes of an SR?

Yes, as long as you enter it as 200+400 ECE beforehand.

(But it won't be BRM, regardless of whether the 400k ride is a BRM or not and you do the whole thing within 40 hours. So don't count on it as a qualifier for PBP2011 next year.)

[MSeries]

OK, I've read through this thread and now my brain has melted to a quick yay or nay question.

If I ride a 200k ECE on top of a 400k ride, do I get to claim the kit and kaboodle as a 600k for the purposes of an SR?

yes, but you can't claim the 400 as well

[mattc]

Yes, as long as you enter it as 200+400 ECE beforehand.

(But it won't be BRM, regardless of whether the 400k ride is a BRM or not and you do the whole thing within 40 hours. So don't count on it as a qualifier for PBP2011 next year.)

Crikey, I hadn't thought of that when I did my 500 the other week!

Oh well, I expect to ride at least one more long BRM this year ...

[kcass]

The 400 from your BC will still count as a BRM tho.

[Martin]

The 400 from your BC will still count as a BRM tho.

correct; you get both a BRM 400 (for ACP purposes) and a BR (via ECE) 600; but for AUK purposes it's only a 600 and you need another 400 (by any means) for an SR in 2010,

to save confusion I would suggest that anybody needing a BRM SR in 2011 does not ECE any of the critical PBP quallie events unless they are riding more than one. In theory an ECE wll not impact at all on how the calendar event is validated but not sure (even having done it) how AUK homologate your SR for ACP

[The Seldom Killer]

Thanks, not looking to make it BRM as the BCM should cover that for this year. I'm just planning on a double SR this year and a 400+200 would be better domestically than some of the available 600s. I also have history with the Hessle 400 that I plan to lay to rest this year.

Now new question. On the AUK site it says for the Randonnee + 200km "Convert a 200km calendar event to a 400km by riding an extra 200km to or from the start.". I presume that this is the one that I want as that means that this would be substituted to Convert a 400km calendar event to a 600km by riding an extra 200km to or from the start. Or is there a list of extensions that I haven't spotted on the AUK site?

[mattc]

Or is there a list of extensions that I haven't spotted on the AUK site?

Yes, because they're not there! Martin may confirm/deny this, but basically only the more common options are listed already.
Hence my 400+100 (ridden 2 weeks ago) is not listed, but Martin kindly confirmed that it was possible - I'm just the first to have bothered, so it isn't 'pre-configured' as an option on AukWeb.

Given that Martin has already discussed your rider here, I thnk it's safe to say he is happy with your combo. Just write something intelligent on the Entry Form and he'll work it out! (get it in early to be on the safe side)

[The Seldom Killer]

Is a plotted Bikely route acceptable?

[Martin]

Is a plotted Bikely route acceptable?

not really; sorry

ECE's should ideally be a route to and / or from the start of the calendar event that meets the minimum distance with additional controls as required to bring it up to that distance, by all means plot it on bikely to work out the distance (although google maps or viamichelin is a lot quicker) For ECE's what I need is a list of start finish and intermediate points of the extension either way (remember it can be a one way extension) and the event you wish to extend; I can work it all out from there.

and yes mattc has it spot on; the nature of the AUK website and results etc is that each ECE configuration must have a distinct perm created for it; we've listed the likely ones but new ones will be added as and when people go out and ride them. Just remember that above 150+50 the extensions are almost all going to have to be multiples of 100km

[The Seldom Killer]

As sorry, I though you needed a plotted route to indicate where I would be going showing the control points.

I use bikely because on a perm I'm happy to take cut throughs that other mapping programs may not allow. I'm more concerned about my minimum distance rather than the potentially greater minimum distance that may generated by michelin autoroute.

So if I just say to you that I want to do the Moors and Wolds 400 starting from Alfreton on 12th June and that my ECE will be Gleadless in Sheffield, Retford, Southwell, Alfreton for 100k in both directions will that be suitable?

[Martin]

So if I just say to you that I want to do the Moors and Wolds 400 starting from Alfreton on 12th June and that my ECE will be Gleadless in Sheffield, Retford, Southwell, Alfreton for 100k in both directions will that be suitable?

yes that's fine viamichelin makes it 103km either way   there doesn't seem to be any obvious way to shortcut the route by eg going off road; all looks fairly linear between controls.

[The Seldom Killer]

Excellent.

I'll have my entry over to your shortly.

And thanks for all of the clarification. Much appreciated.

[Chris S]

Does the ECE system support GPS validation - presumably by sending a gpx of  the track including the embedded calendar event?

Sorry if this has been asked already on this thread - we're on quite a few pages now, and I CBA to trawl through it all...

[Martin]

Does the ECE system support GPS validation - presumably by sending a gpx of  the track including the embedded calendar event?

not at the moment sorry 

The vast majority of ECE's I've had have been "ride from home to calendar event and ride back via a co-op if need be to make up the distance" there's not really any reason to change that format so soon into the new system. If you have a control point that cannot be easily validated by receipt we can probably work something out.

[Chris S]

If you have a control point that cannot be easily validated by receipt we can probably work something out.

Not really - but if I'm riding to an event, living where I do I generally have to start at Early O'Clock, before local amenities are open. AIUI the only way to have a validated route that literally starts "at home" is using GPS, as that is the only way to prove that's where you did in fact start.

It's not a biggy. There's a 24 hour garage a few km from here which doesn't add much to a long ECE in the grand scheme of things.

[MSeries]

If you have a control point that cannot be easily validated by receipt we can probably work something out.

Not really - but if I'm riding to an event, living where I do I generally have to start at Early O'Clock, before local amenities are open. AIUI the only way to have a validated route that literally starts "at home" is using GPS, as that is the only way to prove that's where you did in fact start.

It's not a biggy. There's a 24 hour garage a few km from here which doesn't add much to a long ECE in the grand scheme of things.

that's true for all of us, unless we live in a 24 hour garage. Thankfully for me there is a 24 hour garage about 1km away.

[mattc]

Looks like I'm finally a winner! Just had card back:

ECE_400+100_01