Author Topic: Trainspotters. Why?  (Read 64116 times)

Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #350 on: March 03, 2021, 09:46:51 pm »
List of third-rail systems here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_transport_systems_using_third_rail
Lots of them but apart from a couple of lines in France, maybe one in Italy, and some in Japan and USA, they're all metro or urban – apart from the UK!
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #351 on: March 03, 2021, 10:00:44 pm »

2. OO gauge scale uses HO track, which is why trains look a bit wrong from the front.

There's no such thing as OO gauge apart from 18.83mm track which is pretty rare

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #352 on: March 03, 2021, 10:17:54 pm »
But didn't the Eurostars initially run on third rail north of the Tunnel (due to Great British Planning, of course)?

more to do with the fact that HS1 didn't exist

Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #353 on: March 03, 2021, 10:26:28 pm »
are you sure about that? don't think HS1 and stations like Ashford International were built to Berne Gauge* but IMBW

Eurostar doesn't call at any stations or platforms that weren't purpose built. I don't think much of Ashford (Kent) survived.

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more to do with the fact that HS1 didn't exist

But LGV Nord did!

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #354 on: March 03, 2021, 10:46:04 pm »
are you sure about that? don't think HS1 and stations like Ashford International were built to Berne Gauge* but IMBW

Eurostar doesn't call at any stations or platforms that weren't purpose built. I don't think much of Ashford (Kent) survived.

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more to do with the fact that HS1 didn't exist

But LGV Nord did!

you are right about the 374s  :)

The Channel Tunnel was built with private finance, BR had no direct part in its construction. Not British Planning but a reluctance by the UK government at the time. Also LGV Nord was built to service Northern France and Belgium / Netherlands which is why it doesn't head straight for Coquelles, the bit towards the tunnel was added later. IIRC France offered to build the whole of HS1 but were rebuffed by the Maggon

Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #355 on: March 04, 2021, 03:11:06 am »
The Thames Tunnel is 20’ high in the middle while the usual clearance under the overhead wires in the Channel Tunnel is 20’8”, so the answer is probably “not without some reëngineering”.
Having said that.. is this not exactly what was done at Glasgow Queen Street? They dug out the floor of the tunnel into the station to make room for the overhead wires

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36978943

Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #356 on: March 04, 2021, 03:13:30 am »
But didn't the Eurostars initially run on third rail north of the Tunnel (due to Great British Planning, of course)? In which case the answer is, "Yes but only if there's third-rail electrification."
Yes. I remember taking the Eurostar from Waterloo and trundling through the back gardens of Balham. Quite a contrast with the speeds across northern France. There must have been some impressive engineering to swap between third rail low voltage/high current and overhead high voltage wires.

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #357 on: March 04, 2021, 07:03:14 am »
But didn't the Eurostars initially run on third rail north of the Tunnel (due to Great British Planning, of course)? In which case the answer is, "Yes but only if there's third-rail electrification."
Yes. I remember taking the Eurostar from Waterloo and trundling through the back gardens of Balham. Quite a contrast with the speeds across northern France. There must have been some impressive engineering to swap between third rail low voltage/high current and overhead high voltage wires.

I think there was just a section around Dollands Moor freight terminal that had both types of electrification. A similar thing existed near White City so the Eurostar trains could go up to the 25kv wired Old Oak depot for servicing and is still used by the London Overground trains which operate on both systems, this is now done on the move whereas the previous class 313s had to stop like at Drayton Park on the Moorgate branch

The only time I went on a SNCF TGV in 1983 it did quite a lot of trundling out of Paris until it reached the LGV

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #358 on: March 04, 2021, 08:59:21 am »
The Thames Tunnel is 20’ high in the middle while the usual clearance under the overhead wires in the Channel Tunnel is 20’8”, so the answer is probably “not without some reëngineering”.
Having said that.. is this not exactly what was done at Glasgow Queen Street? They dug out the floor of the tunnel into the station to make room for the overhead wires

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36978943

They did that elsewhere too. Notably Penmanshiel, which collapsed, killing two workers. Although it may have collapsed anyway. I remember the aftermath well, as i was going to Northumberland from Edinburgh for a weekend, and had to cycle instead of train/cycle. Into a howling gale coming off the North Sea. Coming back was great though, Berwick to Edinburgh in three hours.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #359 on: March 04, 2021, 09:56:36 am »
But didn't the Eurostars initially run on third rail north of the Tunnel (due to Great British Planning, of course)?

more to do with the fact that HS1 didn't exist
Precisely. Britain hadn't built its end of the high-speed rail link although France had completed theirs.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #360 on: March 04, 2021, 10:58:24 am »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/04/cat-on-a-fast-train-roof-holds-up-london-to-manchester-service

It's a shame that, on World Book Day, the Graun's staff were unable to summon the erudition to make the link to Skimbleshanks.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #361 on: March 04, 2021, 11:11:55 am »
I IZ PWNING UR TRAIN AND FUX0RING UR PUNKTUWALITY FIGS LOLZ
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #362 on: March 05, 2021, 12:02:45 pm »
'Gricers' are not train spotters - they aim to travel over every track segment possible.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #363 on: March 06, 2021, 06:35:36 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/04/cat-on-a-fast-train-roof-holds-up-london-to-manchester-service

It's a shame that, on World Book Day, the Graun's staff were unable to summon the erudition to make the link to Skimbleshanks.
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Re: Trainspotters. Why?
« Reply #364 on: March 06, 2021, 09:16:51 pm »
Yes the moggies don't complain about road traffic, because the ones it affects are dead, and the others can't make the connection.
(Little sore point, two of my nextdoor neighbours cats/kits have died from motor vehicle collision in the past 6 months)
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