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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5325 on: July 12, 2019, 08:22:42 pm »
I think this is increasing in frequency as we see more children speaking 3 languages.

I find having holidayed in Tenerife this year, visited Berlin and now in France that I can sometimes say “Danke, gracias, Merci “

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5326 on: July 12, 2019, 09:45:20 pm »
I have myself asked for "drei croissant, s'il vous plait"
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5327 on: July 13, 2019, 07:47:59 am »
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5328 on: July 14, 2019, 10:47:38 pm »
Bonus point for:

I have myself asked for "drei croissant, s'il vous plait por favor"

 :D
;D  Andrij.  I pronounce you Complete and Utter GIT   :thumbsup:

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5329 on: July 14, 2019, 10:55:47 pm »
I have on more than one occasion observed my grate frend Mr Woolrich switching from French to Spanish in mid-sentence.  The look that this produces on a Frenchman's face can only be copied by a lungfish.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5330 on: July 14, 2019, 11:00:51 pm »
Whereas my Mum and her sister shuttle seamlessly twixt English and Danish and eyelids remain unbatted.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5331 on: July 15, 2019, 07:28:09 am »
The first language I spoke was Ukrainian.  I am most fluent in English.  Growing up our common language was Ukrainglish.
;D  Andrij.  I pronounce you Complete and Utter GIT   :thumbsup:

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5332 on: July 15, 2019, 08:38:03 am »
And I'm sure you've been know to switch from Ukrainglish to Englainian in mid-sentence!  :thumbsup:
The unwilling rider and the one who leaves each control in turn without reluctance, with no desire to come back, obviously cannot be making the same journey, even though their brevets are identical.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5333 on: July 15, 2019, 09:46:21 am »
Alsacien is the perfect schizophrenic's language. Basically it's a dialect of German, liberally salted with French and pronounced like neither. It also varies from village to village, so that villagers know when to look down their noses at each other.  I'm fluent in French and German but in 30 years I've never managed to get my head round it.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5334 on: July 19, 2019, 09:53:13 am »
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5335 on: July 19, 2019, 01:29:35 pm »
Any day now the illiterati will be protesting that peddle is an acceptable alternative; and 5 years later the OED will so list it.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5336 on: July 19, 2019, 01:31:23 pm »
Any day now the illiterati will be protesting that peddle is an acceptable alternative; and 5 years later the OED will so list it.

Chambers already does.


(probably)

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5337 on: July 19, 2019, 01:31:36 pm »
Bonus point for:

I have myself asked for "drei croissant, s'il vous plait por favor"

 :D

Last time I tried to speak French, it came out in a mixture of BSL and German...

(Disclaimer: I'm monumentally shit at French, and my brane only has room for about 1.5 languages.)
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5338 on: July 21, 2019, 07:48:13 am »
Any day now the illiterati will be protesting that peddle is an acceptable alternative; and 5 years later the OED will so list it.

Chambers already does.


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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5339 on: July 21, 2019, 08:07:12 am »
Bonus point for:

I have myself asked for "drei croissant, s'il vous plait por favor"

 :D

Last time I tried to speak French, it came out in a mixture of BSL and German...

(Disclaimer: I'm monumentally shit at French, and my brane only has room for about 1.5 languages.)

IOW three times that of the average Internet user.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5340 on: July 25, 2019, 05:21:08 pm »
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The town functions as a microcosm of what African Americans have had to deal with in America, says Dr Barbara Ellen Smith, a professor emerita who has spent much of her career focused on inequality in Appalachia.
I don't think I've come across this feminine version before. As we don't inflect adjectives in English, it's kind of odd to do so even if the term is borrowed from Latin. In fact, I'm wondering if we even use this form in UK?

(Ely Dave and others please not, this is another not-cringe!)
The unwilling rider and the one who leaves each control in turn without reluctance, with no desire to come back, obviously cannot be making the same journey, even though their brevets are identical.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5341 on: July 26, 2019, 08:07:20 am »
I thought "emerita" was the plural form of "emeritus".

I have been wrong before, and am quite happy to be wrong again.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5342 on: July 26, 2019, 08:11:11 am »
The plural is "emeriti" according to Merriam-Webster.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emeritus
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5343 on: July 26, 2019, 09:22:09 am »
The plural is "emeriti" according to Merriam-Webster.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emeritus

 :sick:

When did it become a noun?

This is an outrage.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5344 on: July 26, 2019, 09:33:42 am »
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The town functions as a microcosm of what African Americans have had to deal with in America, says Dr Barbara Ellen Smith, a professor emerita who has spent much of her career focused on inequality in Appalachia.
I don't think I've come across this feminine version before. As we don't inflect adjectives in English, it's kind of odd to do so even if the term is borrowed from Latin. In fact, I'm wondering if we even use this form in UK?

(Ely Dave and others please not, this is another not-cringe!)

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5345 on: July 26, 2019, 09:35:56 am »
The plural is "emeriti" according to Merriam-Webster.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emeritus

 :sick:

When did it become a noun?

This is an outrage.

Hang about, it'll be a verb next week.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5346 on: July 26, 2019, 09:40:51 am »
Hang about, it'll be a verb next week.

Single or double S in the past participle?

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5347 on: July 26, 2019, 09:53:54 am »
The plural is "emeriti" according to Merriam-Webster.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emeritus

 :sick:

When did it become a noun?


Since Tacitus, Suetonius and Lacanus used it as a noun, I'd say it was about 2000 years ago.
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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5348 on: July 26, 2019, 10:34:48 am »
Since Tacitus, Suetonius and Lacanus used it as a noun, I'd say it was about 2000 years ago.

OK, fair enough, but they were using the original Latin. I've only ever seen it used in English as an adjective.

I might also argue that it should take a naturalised plural form. Not least because it has become somewhat distanced from the original meaning (veteran soldier). See also: forum, stadium. I'm sure some smart arse will point out examples where I'm happy to use a non-naturalised plural form (eg data). But I really don't care. I don't make any claim to being rational about this.

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Re: Grammar that makes you cringe
« Reply #5349 on: July 26, 2019, 11:07:51 am »
Hang about, it'll be a verb next week.

Single or double S in the past participle?

Oh, a single, so that people can argue over whether it's pronounced -ussed or -yoozed.
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