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Redlight

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7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« on: 03 September, 2009, 09:30:07 pm »
An interesting story on the BBC site

BBC NEWS | England | London | 7/7 dread 'caused cycle injuries'

First reaction is to wonder how many other people are now fitter and healthier because they took up cycling but I do recall reading a piece of research that looked at the increase in road deaths in the USA after 9-11 (because people stopped flying short distances) and found a similarly unexpected increase - more people died on the roads as a result of 9-11 than died in the attacks themselves. 

Just goes to show that there is some truth in the notion that 7 out of 10 statistics are made up.
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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #1 on: 04 September, 2009, 05:14:05 pm »
The number of injuries may have "increased"

The percentage of cyclists injured in relation to actual cyclist numbers will still be the same.

Someone at the beeb needs to go back and re-sit his/her o-level maths (which I failed BTW but I still mange to grasp the two different concepts involved). Who ever wrote that probably went to Oxford as well. ::-)

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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #2 on: 04 September, 2009, 05:47:19 pm »
The percentage injured in relation to actual cyclists may also have increased, and this *still* be a good-news story. There were more novices on the road---it hasn't created new injuries, it's brought them forward in time from whenever those novices would otherwise have started cycling and made their novice errors.
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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #3 on: 04 September, 2009, 08:10:41 pm »
I agree that it was a good news story and that no allowance was made for the increase in numbers, or more importantly the experience of the cyclists.

There is lots of research that shows the number of accidents increases in summer for the same reasons...... somewhat naive interpretation of the "expected" results

andygates

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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #4 on: 05 September, 2009, 12:53:09 pm »
The article says talks in the usual scaremongering screed about the danger of cycling.

I'll betcha a month's salary the bomb-dodgers didn't just faceplant on their own.

He's turning a blind accepting eye to the low care and high hazard of traffic.  He's saying "roads are meant to be dangerous, only a fool would go out in them."

Scaremongering pussy.   >:(
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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #5 on: 05 September, 2009, 08:15:22 pm »
The article is completely wrong anyway, if it just takes into account deaths per mile of each transport mode.  Cycling saves far more lives than it costs through the health benefits of the exercise.

That's why regular cyclists can on average be expected to live 2 years longer than the general population.
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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #6 on: 05 September, 2009, 08:36:29 pm »

That's why regular cyclists can on average be expected to live 2 years longer than the general population.

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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #7 on: 05 September, 2009, 09:51:34 pm »
Probably because most people stop cycling in their dotage and go rapidly downhill from there.  You can't store fitness for long.
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Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #8 on: 06 September, 2009, 10:59:25 am »
The research suggests that people will avoid an activity that seems as though it might kill them, but also that their perception of the threat is emotional not rational.  Nothing new there.  

The researcher points out that, in avoiding the thing they dread, people might stumble upon a different activity which has a different risk profile.

The BBC report does not mention the longevity gains and health boost from cycling (2 years on your life expectancy plus the health of someone ten years younger, according to CTC), although this may be a criticism of the journalism rather than the academic research that it reports.  

Critically, the theory that people are motivated by irrational fear also seems to explain the aversion to road cycling among a population that doesn't ride bikes. This researcher seems to belong to that population.  The research certainly considers cycling to be risky, rather than considering cars to be a threat.  

...the bomb-dodgers didn't just faceplant on their own.

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Although the cause of the casualties could not be established conclusively, academics were "unable to identify any other plausible possibility".

Did former tube and bus passengers start driving to work at sleepy o'clock?  

spindrift

Re: 7-7 attacks increased cyclist death rate
« Reply #9 on: 08 September, 2009, 04:39:38 pm »
It's plain wrong:

Cycle journeys in the capital have risen by 100 per cent since 2000 and have met the Mayor Ken Livingstone's cycling targets five years early.

Mayor announces doubling of cycle journeys in London

So a doubling in eight years.

And the accident rate?

In cities where cycling levels are very buoyant such as York and London, cycling is getting safer. Cycling in London has doubled in 5 years, and the numbers killed have dropped by almost 50 per cent since the mid-90s.

A statement from CTC said: "It is important not to take single years in isolation as fluctuations can happen when small numbers are concerned. Since the mid 90s the number of cyclists who have been killed or seriously injured has fallen by 37 per cent - from 3,732 to 2,360 per year."

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