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spesh

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2009, 04:38:01 pm »
At least Nutty would stop complaining about the intense heat of early winter. :demon: ;)
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2009, 04:40:05 pm »
Looking forward to it.

At the moment our heatwave summers and rainy winters aren't very nice.

Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2009, 04:47:59 pm »
If you compare UK temperatures with those on the other side of the pond at the same lattitude and wonder why we're not freezing our tits off, that'll be all the lovely Atlantic currents which have been bringing us warm water and good weather for centuries.

Problem is, the massive ice fields up near Greenland at the northern end of the Gulf Stream are melting and sending big ol' wodges of cold water into the ocean system and interrupting the flow of this rather useful Ocean Conveyor Belt.

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Depends on how far south it shifts. If we get 17th-18th century weather, we'll get by, albeit with much colder winters.  I'd invest in a ski lift in the Chilterns. ;)

Darkest Essex: drizzle.
Gatwick (earlier): SNO.
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2009, 04:49:17 pm »
Atlantic drift going off will probably lead to 1962 type winters once in every 4 to 7 years (the models are not completely consistent).  How our modern car based economy would cope with this would be 'interesting' to watch.  Some things would be easier (far fewer houses have their fuel delivered in lorries these days) but the sheer length of commutes and the expectation that people can always drive to meetings and so on would make things rather more difficult.  (Mrs C has been to Cornwall, Gloucestershire and Bristol this week for example which would never have been considered for someone at her level in the organisation fifty years ago).

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2009, 04:50:46 pm »
Problem is, the massive ice fields up near Greenland at the northern end of the Gulf Stream are melting and sending big ol' wodges of cold water into the ocean system and interrupting the flow of this rather useful Ocean Conveyor Belt.

Thermohaline circulation.

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is important because in the present climate it is responsible for a large portion of the heat transport from the tropics to higher latitudes, and it plays an important role in the oceanic uptake of CO2. Palaeo-oceanographic investigations suggest that aspects of longer-term climate change are associated with changes in the ocean's thermohaline circulation.


I don't think the climatic effects of this system on Europe are yet fully understood, but it's certainly an area of serious concern.

spesh

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2009, 04:52:38 pm »
Looking forward to it.

At the moment our heatwave summers and rainy winters aren't very nice.

Got any Norwegians in the familiy tree, Nutty?  :demon: ;)


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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2009, 05:06:08 pm »
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10°F -12°C 261K
Too cold to ski
Nonsense!
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andygates

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2009, 07:11:01 pm »
Don't forget the whole new random factor: the ice-free Arctic water has created a new stable weather pattern called the Arctic Dipole, which alternates with the regular patterns.  It's likely to intensify or mutate; an autumn with a warm wet Arctic could throw a lot of weather our way.  Basically, all bets are off.  If all bets were on, we'd be on warmer, wetter winters and cooler, wetter summers.
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2009, 07:19:32 pm »
Oh no!

Snow in S.E. England. 
Rest of Great Britain cut off by snow in S.E. England.
 ::-)
How will we cope?
 ;D

Only pulling yer leg, chaps.  ;)
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2009, 07:27:45 pm »
Oh no!

Snow in S.E. England. 
Rest of Great Britain cut off by snow in S.E. England.
 ::-)
How will we cope?
 ;D

Only pulling yer leg, chaps.  ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2009, 07:38:18 pm »
Not if the Gulf Stream craps out on us.

After one of the warmest, wettest November on record, it's hard to see the evidence that this is actually happening.

When we start having long cold spells, and start breaking low temperature records, I'll buy you a Tizer, doff my cap and say "You were right, and I was wrong."  :)

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2009, 07:52:20 pm »
Not if the Gulf Stream craps out on us.

After one of the warmest, wettest November on record, it's hard to see the evidence that this is actually happening.

When we start having long cold spells, and start breaking low temperature records, I'll buy you a Tizer, doff my cap and say "You were right, and I was wrong."  :)

I may be wrong here, but I don't think you're going to see any "evidence" before it happens.
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2009, 08:36:20 pm »
The North Atlantic Conveyor either works, or it doesn't.

It sunk didn't it?

Oh, that was on the South Atlantic.  :-[
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2009, 08:40:23 pm »
It's pishing with rain up here the noo.
However the forecast is for frost and a bit of damp snow, so I've put my bike away for the rest of the week. The roads round Chez Pingu don't get gritted and I did enough falling off last winter to know I'd rather take the bus.

Yes, I know I am a woose.  :hand:

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2009, 08:44:17 pm »
The North Atlantic Conveyor either works, or it doesn't.

It sunk didn't it?

Oh, that was on the South Atlantic.  :-[
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2009, 09:43:58 pm »
It's likely to play merry hell with my cycling to work, since it's the psyclepath (never salted) or the dual carriageway (people buzz you because you "should" be on the psyclepath).

That's why I've been going out in the rain for weeks - that's better than just getting fat in the car.
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2009, 10:31:53 pm »
Oh no!

Snow in S.E. England.  
Rest of Great Britain cut off by snow in S.E. England.
 ::-)
How will we cope?
 ;D

Only pulling yer leg, chaps.  ;)

uh um....


I've always wanted to try a set of those...
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2009, 10:35:57 pm »
I hated today. Too cold for normal people clothes, too hot for the proper winter cycling attire. I arrived at work overheated and sweating.
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2009, 10:46:17 pm »
Not if the Gulf Stream craps out on us.

After one of the warmest, wettest November on record, it's hard to see the evidence that this is actually happening.

When we start having long cold spells, and start breaking low temperature records, I'll buy you a Tizer, doff my cap and say "You were right, and I was wrong."  :)

I may be wrong here, but I don't think you're going to see any "evidence" before it happens.
The North Atlantic Conveyor either works, or it doesn't.
If it switches off, you're going to need as much body hair as possible.
According to this paper from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, past cooling events  appear to have taken years ("as short as a decade" counts as abrupt), & have varied immensely in severity & duration. The post-1300 "little ice age" was of a different order of magnitude than the Younger Dryas, or even the 8200 year event.
Abrupt Climate Change : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2009, 01:02:07 am »
According to this paper from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, past cooling events  appear to have taken years ("as short as a decade" counts as abrupt), & have varied immensely in severity & duration. The post-1300 "little ice age" was of a different order of magnitude than the Younger Dryas, or even the 8200 year event.
Abrupt Climate Change : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
This report says the Younger Dryas started in about a year
Big Freeze: Earth Could Plunge into Sudden Ice Age | LiveScience
(also in New Scientist a few weeks back)

Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2009, 01:20:02 am »
It also says it was triggered by a freak event which happened all at once. Where are the conditions to kick that off now? The Greenland ice cap is melting, but unless a very large part of it melts in one great splash, rather than piecemeal summer by summer, we're not going to have a repeat.
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2009, 06:40:00 am »
Atlantic drift going off will probably lead to 1962 type winters once in every 4 to 7 years (the models are not completely consistent).  How our modern car based economy would cope with this would be 'interesting' to watch.  Some things would be easier (far fewer houses have their fuel delivered in lorries these days) but the sheer length of commutes and the expectation that people can always drive to meetings and so on would make things rather more difficult.  (Mrs C has been to Cornwall, Gloucestershire and Bristol this week for example which would never have been considered for someone at her level in the organisation fifty years ago).

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2009, 07:47:17 am »
It also says it was triggered by a freak event which happened all at once.

Sudden Arctic sea ice melt could do it if (1) the whole thing went at once, which isn't unlikely for floating ice on water, it's a phase change kinda thang, and (2) the wind was blowing all those bergs into the Atlantic where the had a mighty melty dump - which is much less likely; odds are they'd piffle out en route and in situ.

Greenland ice sheet melt would do it and the current offers on the Copenhagen table are at the 'worst case' end of the scale, anticipating 4-7 degrees of warming, at which you'd get that melt easily.

Winter tyres?  Nokians are awesome.  :)
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Cudzoziemiec

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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2009, 10:39:22 am »
But will they still be able to make them once all the oil's gone?  >:(
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Re: It's snowing!
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2009, 10:46:46 am »
It's just started snowing here.  Only a quick flurry - but we're due heavy snow later today.
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