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Landis comes clean!
« on: May 20, 2010, 09:48:36 am »
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2010, 12:10:19 pm »
Oh what an ironic thread title!

The lab work was still shoddy though..
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Rhys W

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2010, 12:21:46 pm »
This is a man who spent several years and hundreds of thousands of dollars (including money he begged from "fans") denying he doped. Now he says he did it all along. He is not a credible witness.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2010, 12:37:48 pm »
C*cksmokin' MO'FO!

I suppose we shouldn't have expected anything different but FFS!
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Well that's the more blunt way of putting it but as usual he's dead right.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 12:49:12 pm »
Welcome to the real world.
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2010, 12:57:47 pm »
He's trying to take Armstrong and Bruyneel with him claiming him as the supplier

Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2010, 01:17:55 pm »
McQuaid wants to sue him for suggesting that the UCI took cash for cover-ups!

FFS!!!
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2010, 01:47:31 pm »
I find this story a bit odd

What does Landis have to gain from accusing others?  Not much
Was Landis' career over? It is now
Is this the first time that someone has said that Lance is a dope? no, so where is the novelty value?

Doesn't make sense
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2010, 02:11:09 pm »
The Wall Street Journal article has more information about the various claims.  I suspect he's going to be in a world of pain over the various allegations, if those who he claims are involved in doping, including Armstrong, Bruyneel, Hincapie, Rihs, Leipheimer and Zabriskie, deny it, and decide to take him to court over these claims.

As others have said, if it's his word against there's, and he has provable lied, repeatedly on this subject. He could find he's sued out of existence.
Actually, it is rocket science.
 

Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2010, 02:21:55 pm »
One wonders whether he hasn't been paid to keep quiet. Should be an interesting few days...

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2010, 02:25:46 pm »
Full text here.

The lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee at this one:

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[Armstrong] later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with Mr. Vrubrugen (sic) to keep the positive test hidden.

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There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the process of writing into an intelligible story

Ah, right, it's publicity for a book deal.


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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2010, 02:38:27 pm »
One wonders whether he hasn't been paid to keep quiet. Should be an interesting few days...

I wonder if the email is real

Will we be hearing "the email isn't real but I am writing a fantastic book" from Landis?
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2010, 02:39:53 pm »
Can we retrieve all those threads where people (some here) defended Landis ad nauseum? Blah, blah the lab made a mistake etc. etc. The evidence was overwhelming.

It's not going to have any friends left if he goes telling on the others, especially if one of them is Armstrong. It's way too late for that.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2010, 02:47:39 pm »
OMG!  Who knew?

*yawn*

Actually, he's such a liar, I'm not sure if I believe him now... ;D
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2010, 02:57:04 pm »
This is a man who spent several years and hundreds of thousands of dollars (including money he begged from "fans") denying he doped. Now he says he did it all along. He is not a credible witness.

My thoughts entirely. Whether or not he's telling the truth, he can't be taken seriously.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2010, 03:02:58 pm »
Bitter, money-grabbing attention-seeking little toad, IMO.

I still loved that breakaway.  It was epic, even if the man was so full of pills he rattled.

But there's a way to take your lumps with dignity, and really, its "not like Floyd Landis."
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2010, 03:05:27 pm »
I still loved that breakaway.

Indeed, that was awesome, even if somewhat assisted.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2010, 03:10:26 pm »
I still loved that breakaway.

Indeed, that was awesome, even if somewhat assisted.
There lies the rub I think.

It's how they keep getting away with it, people want to believe in the glory.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2010, 03:12:40 pm »
As it was happening, I felt a bit :sick: knowing what was afoot.  OK, suspecting, but you know what I mean, and it really spoiled a race and nearly destroyed a piece of cycling heritage.
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2010, 03:21:29 pm »
Can we retrieve all those threads where people (some here) defended Landis ad nauseum? Blah, blah the lab made a mistake etc. etc. The evidence was overwhelming.


Please make a distinction between the lab work being poor (which it was and if you want me to go into exhaustive detail then I will as it is close enough to my area of expertise that I can make sense of the minutiae) and claiming Landis was innocent.
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2010, 04:21:13 pm »
I find it hilarious (and telling) that he's upset because they detected the wrong banned substance.  It shows that when a person turns to the Dark Side, not just the training and dosage (and PCT and so on) become part of the game, but so is the evasion of detection.  WADA become another foe like an opposing team or an injury, to be planned around and defeated if possible.
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2010, 04:38:54 pm »
I find it hilarious (and telling) that he's upset because they detected the wrong banned substance.  It shows that when a person turns to the Dark Side, not just the training and dosage (and PCT and so on) become part of the game, but so is the evasion of detection.  WADA become another foe like an opposing team or an injury, to be planned around and defeated if possible.

Again, look at the science. The detection was incredibly poor. Right man, wrong reason and wrong reasoning. In the end though the correct result but process, sadly, suffered.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2010, 05:21:42 pm »
WADA And UCI Issue Statements On Landis Confession | Cyclingnews.com

I find it slightly depressing that while WADA say "thanks, we'll look into this", the UCI say "guys coming out now with things like this from the past is only damaging the sport"
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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2010, 05:24:56 pm »
That's because he is saying they took money to hush up an Armstrong positive.

Well, he did give them half a million to pay for a new dope-detecting machine.

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Re: Landis comes clean!
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2010, 06:33:43 pm »
Let's face it, we just accept the doping from the last twenty years.

Don't know why he is taking on Armstrong, it's not going to stick.