Author Topic: More stuff from Floyd Landis  (Read 7986 times)

citoyen

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #75 on: July 14, 2010, 10:48:35 am »
Reasonably successful? That was waaaaay beyond "reasonably successful".

And to do that after similar performances on Saturday and Sunday's stages?

d.

LEE

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2010, 10:58:17 am »
Same here. Though yesterday's stage left a sour taste in the mouth.

Why? I find all this cynical dismissal of any reasonably successful performance very depressing.

Exactly, I don't know why people bother watching any sport if any exceptional performance is seen as suspicious.

Innocent until proven guilty or we may as well immediately consign Mark Cavendish, Bradley Wiggins and Chris Hoy to the "cheats bin".


Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2010, 11:02:26 am »
That is quite a dumb comment in the light of Pantani, Ullrich, Basso, Vino, Landis, Hamilton,Ricco, Valverde, Heras, Di Luca, Zabel, Riis, Petacchi etc etc etc etc


LEE

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2010, 03:18:38 pm »
That is quite a dumb comment in the light of Pantani, Ullrich, Basso, Vino, Landis, Hamilton,Ricco, Valverde, Heras, Di Luca, Zabel, Riis, Petacchi etc etc etc etc



Dumb?  Why is it dumb?

I'm not saying I think all cyclists have been or will be clean, I'm asking why people watch things they can't enjoy.
A previous poster implies he would have preferred Schleck and Contador to go slower, to make it more believeble for him.  Going that quickly left a nasty taste in his mouth, they were too quick.  All the joy has gone. (Drug taking cyclists are to blame for this of course)

Dumb is when you sit watchng something for no obvious reason.

If I thought Schleck and Contador were doping then I'd turn off, the TdF would be pointless viewing. 
I actually watched them in admiration.

If you think every exceptional performance is clearly drug fuelled then it's totally pointless, and dumb, watching sport any more.  All the joy has gone .  Watching sport is surely about the joy of seeing exceptional performace.

Usain Bolt?  How could you enjoy that?  He was too quick, obviously on drugs.
Chris Hoy?  Drug cheat, he must be, it's too suspicious.

The logical conclusion is simply banning anyone who breaks a world record. 

Innocent until proven guilty.  Just enjoy it until then (or change channel)

citoyen

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2010, 03:26:08 pm »
Dumb is when you sit watchng something for no obvious reason.

I was enjoying it until yesterday. My interest has diminished considerably. It's still a great spectacle, but all pretence that it's a race has gone out of the window.

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Usain Bolt?  How could you enjoy that?  He was too quick, obviously on drugs.
Chris Hoy?  Drug cheat, he must be, it's too suspicious.

You're begging the question. I never said that all exceptional performances must be down to drugs, and the suspicion of cheating isn't in itself the reason why yesterday's stage bothered me.

d.

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #80 on: July 14, 2010, 07:04:23 pm »
I see that Lance is doing some preparatory backtracking in advance of the investigation into US Postal..

Armstrong Willing To Co-operate With Doping Investigation | Cyclingnews.com

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #81 on: July 14, 2010, 07:59:24 pm »
You'd better be careful saying things like that! The fanboys will turn up mob handed and accuse you of loving cancer

lemonjiffy

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2010, 05:37:57 pm »
He's completely lost the plot in a David Icke fashion.

agree completely.

shame they found the key to his padded cell just before the tour started ::-)

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2010, 05:45:29 pm »
You might agree, but the U.S. government doesn't seem to, but hey.... what would they know?

citoyen

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2010, 05:47:50 pm »
You might agree, but the U.S. government doesn't seem to, but hey.... what would they know?

Is this the same US government who thought Saddam had WMDs? ;)

d.

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2010, 05:50:29 pm »
Food and Drug Administration.

As far as I know, Lance Armstrong isn't sitting on top of a huge supply of oil, but if you can think of an ulterior motive let us know  ;D

lemonjiffy

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2010, 05:53:03 pm »
You might agree, but the U.S. government doesn't seem to, but hey.... what would they know?

Is this the same US government who thought Saddam had WMDs? ;)

d.

you mean they don't have WMD ??? OMG someone tell tony blair b4 its too late!

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2010, 07:02:53 pm »
If I thought Schleck and Contador were doping then I'd turn off, the TdF would be pointless viewing. 
I actually watched them in admiration.

If you think every exceptional performance is clearly drug fuelled then it's totally pointless, and dumb, watching sport any more.  All the joy has gone .  Watching sport is surely about the joy of seeing exceptional performace.

Usain Bolt?  How could you enjoy that?  He was too quick, obviously on drugs.
Chris Hoy?  Drug cheat, he must be, it's too suspicious.

The logical conclusion is simply banning anyone who breaks a world record. 

Innocent until proven guilty.  Just enjoy it until then (or change channel)
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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2010, 07:06:31 pm »
If I thought Schleck and Contador were doping then I'd turn off, the TdF would be pointless viewing. 
I actually watched them in admiration.

If you think every exceptional performance is clearly drug fuelled then it's totally pointless, and dumb, watching sport any more.  All the joy has gone .  Watching sport is surely about the joy of seeing exceptional performace.

Usain Bolt?  How could you enjoy that?  He was too quick, obviously on drugs.
Chris Hoy?  Drug cheat, he must be, it's too suspicious.

The logical conclusion is simply banning anyone who breaks a world record. 

Innocent until proven guilty.  Just enjoy it until then (or change channel)
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Be best if you turned off now! I enjoy it anyway.

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2010, 12:20:34 pm »
There is a very interesting interview with Lemond in a german paper. He concludes that Armstrong retired in 05 because of the news of his positive tests were coming out and because of hostility towards him from Patrice clerc high up in aso. He alleges clerc was removed to facilitate armstrong's return in 09.

He alledges that Armstrong had/has the uci and aso eating out of his hand.

That last point seems likely since dope test rules were waived in order for Armstrong to return last year, and all sorts of stuff that would have led to a non-invite by aso to the tour have been ignored eg. The transfusion gear found in Astana bins last year.

What is undeniable is that Armstrong has brought with him unprecedented wealth into cycling.

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2010, 10:04:38 pm »
There is a very interesting interview with Lemond in a german paper. He concludes that Armstrong retired in 05 because of the news of his positive tests were coming out and because of hostility towards him from Patrice clerc high up in aso. He alleges clerc was removed to facilitate armstrong's return in 09.

He alledges that Armstrong had/has the uci and aso eating out of his hand.

That last point seems likely since dope test rules were waived in order for Armstrong to return last year, and all sorts of stuff that would have led to a non-invite by aso to the tour have been ignored eg. The transfusion gear found in Astana bins last year.

What is undeniable is that Armstrong has brought with him unprecedented wealth into cycling.

Unfortunately for Lance, the guy investigating Postal following Landis's claims was the guy responsible for Marion Jones' downfall:

Marion Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's going to be an interesting few months. 

Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #91 on: August 05, 2010, 01:19:26 pm »

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2010, 07:46:13 pm »
And we're off....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/us-postal-investigation-gathers-pace

It's going to be interesting, I always thought Lance would somehow remain untouchable.

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2010, 09:31:28 pm »
Hmmm... Marion Jones was a golden girl and she was sent to prison. Still, somehow, I think Lance will emerge unscathed, Blair-like. Most of them do.

Either way, it's going to be interesting.


Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #95 on: September 16, 2010, 04:05:15 pm »
Uh oh.

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #96 on: September 16, 2010, 04:35:20 pm »
Just wait for the smokescreen! I don't know what do you think, samples that old aren't reliable? Or that old favourite the lab is incompetent. Nothing will stick.....

clarion

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2010, 04:41:20 pm »
I don't know what you mean!

Lance Is INNOCENT! Don't you guys get it?  Why are you so jealous of HIM?  Those cheese-eating surrender monkeys will just NEVERR LET IT GO.

C'mon!  That was then.  Let's move on now.  You still living IN THE PAST?





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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #98 on: September 16, 2010, 04:54:47 pm »
I don't know what you mean!

Lance Is INNOCENT! Don't you guys get it?  Why are you so jealous of HIM?  Those cheese-eating surrender monkeys will just NEVERR LET IT GO.

C'mon!  That was then.  Let's move on now.  You still living IN THE PAST?





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And you have a point, does anyone really care any more? I don't.

LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: More stuff from Floyd Landis
« Reply #99 on: September 16, 2010, 05:08:19 pm »
The more that is known/prosecuted, the more chance for future doping to be detected/discouraged.  I'd prefer there to be less doping in cycling than is currently the case.
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