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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1575 on: September 11, 2019, 09:05:02 am »
Some confusion as we saw the Southport Air Display participants while we were watching kites, and having a go at sand yachting at Lytham. Hard to tell between a Saab Viggen and a Typhoon at a distance.

I thought the P47 Thunderbolt in its D-Day markings might be a Hawker Tempest. The T33 Shooting Star might have been a Jet Provost. No idea what the Saab Tunnan might be. The BBMF included a Dakota.

As the Viggen last flew in 2007, it's unlikely to be participating in an airshow! I could understand a T37 being mistaken for a JP, but not a T33. BBMF have been running a Dakota for many, many years (and several other aeroplanes that have nothing to do with the Battle of Britain!).

Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1576 on: September 11, 2019, 10:46:57 am »
Some confusion as we saw the Southport Air Display participants while we were watching kites, and having a go at sand yachting at Lytham. Hard to tell between a Saab Viggen and a Typhoon at a distance.

I thought the P47 Thunderbolt in its D-Day markings might be a Hawker Tempest. The T33 Shooting Star might have been a Jet Provost. No idea what the Saab Tunnan might be. The BBMF included a Dakota.

As the Viggen last flew in 2007, it's unlikely to be participating in an airshow! I could understand a T37 being mistaken for a JP, but not a T33. BBMF have been running a Dakota for many, many years (and several other aeroplanes that have nothing to do with the Battle of Britain!).

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Displaying for the first time in Southport. the Saab Viggen, Swedish Air Force Historic Flight (SwAFHF), will make a debut appearance.

https://www.visitsouthport.com/airshow/information/product-catch-all/saab-viggen-swafhf-p456741
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1577 on: September 11, 2019, 11:00:53 am »
I live on the flightpath to Warton, so I'm used to Typhoons, and we see them in the Lakes on walks. So the sight of the Viggen from beneath, as it turned over Lytham beach after taking off from Squires Gate was initially confusing, thanks to the delta with canards configuration. When the Typhoon lined up after taking off from Warton, I twigged. The Viggen seems to be a trainer variant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6knL6nvII0

A Typhoon does look very different of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbPyn0i83tM

Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1578 on: September 11, 2019, 11:44:56 am »

I thought the P47 Thunderbolt in its D-Day markings might be a Hawker Tempest.

To my knowledge, I'm not aware of any airworthy Tempests and a quick google search didn't reveal any. Air Leasing (Richard Grace, owner of the Grace Spitfire) has one under restoration, there's a couple in America also being restored and we might be lucky here in the UK as there is an ongoing attempt to restore a Typhoon over the next few years with a funding project considerably underway.

The P-47 is really quite impressive, the Ultimate Warbirds team (also part of Air Leasing) did a two lap formation practice here over Bentwaters the other week on their way to the Clacton airshow lead by the P-47. The noise woke us all up! It was made more interesting to me as I had met several of the guys operating them at Sywell when I did the Spitfire flight.
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1579 on: September 11, 2019, 12:10:45 pm »
Radio-controlled re-enactment dogfight seen on Saturday's ride on the forum camping weekend at Wellesbourne





There was also a frighteningly fast radio-controlled jet of some sort.
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1580 on: September 11, 2019, 12:51:08 pm »

I thought the P47 Thunderbolt in its D-Day markings might be a Hawker Tempest.

To my knowledge, I'm not aware of any airworthy Tempests and a quick google search didn't reveal any. Air Leasing (Richard Grace, owner of the Grace Spitfire) has one under restoration, there's a couple in America also being restored and we might be lucky here in the UK as there is an ongoing attempt to restore a Typhoon over the next few years with a funding project considerably underway.

The P-47 is really quite impressive, the Ultimate Warbirds team (also part of Air Leasing) did a two lap formation practice here over Bentwaters the other week on their way to the Clacton airshow lead by the P-47. The noise woke us all up! It was made more interesting to me as I had met several of the guys operating them at Sywell when I did the Spitfire flight.

I could tell that it was a radial by the sound. One thought was that it might be the RNAS Sea Fury, but that didn't fit with the D-Day markings. A Tempest II has a radial engine.

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« Reply #1581 on: September 11, 2019, 08:32:00 pm »
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Interesting approach path.  Normally inbound stuff comes in from a long way east, this evening all three came in west over Southrop and turned back over somewhere over Filkins.  Roughly clockwise.

Third one in did a touch and go for some reason - heard the engines light up again - did a very short an anti-clockwise circuit.

Thought there were only 2 on deployment, but there was no engine noise to indicate either of the 1st two in had performed a touch and go so think there must now be three. 
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1582 on: September 11, 2019, 09:01:32 pm »
3 x B2 landing at Fairford 1900 to 1930
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Thought there were only 2 on deployment, but there was no engine noise to indicate either of the 1st two in had performed a touch and go so think there must now be three. 

It's been three all along - see this report from a couple of weeks ago:

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/08/28/Three-B-2-stealth-bombers-arrive-in-Britain-for-exercises/2521567011703/
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1583 on: September 12, 2019, 02:14:00 am »
Radio-controlled re-enactment dogfight seen on Saturday's ride on the forum camping weekend at Wellesbourne





There was also a frighteningly fast radio-controlled jet of some sort.
I saw that in full size flying out of White Waltham a few years ago whe I worked at the school. Fantastic to watch. So slow and graceful when compared to WW2 and later speeds.
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1584 on: September 13, 2019, 09:06:04 am »
Some confusion as we saw the Southport Air Display participants while we were watching kites, and having a go at sand yachting at Lytham. Hard to tell between a Saab Viggen and a Typhoon at a distance.

I thought the P47 Thunderbolt in its D-Day markings might be a Hawker Tempest. The T33 Shooting Star might have been a Jet Provost. No idea what the Saab Tunnan might be. The BBMF included a Dakota.

As the Viggen last flew in 2007, it's unlikely to be participating in an airshow! I could understand a T37 being mistaken for a JP, but not a T33. BBMF have been running a Dakota for many, many years (and several other aeroplanes that have nothing to do with the Battle of Britain!).

Actually...

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Displaying for the first time in Southport. the Saab Viggen, Swedish Air Force Historic Flight (SwAFHF), will make a debut appearance.

https://www.visitsouthport.com/airshow/information/product-catch-all/saab-viggen-swafhf-p456741

Ooh! Very cool! I had no idea that they’d managed to get one back in the air - that won’t be cheap to run!

Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1585 on: September 13, 2019, 09:33:31 am »
I thought that the Viggen was a Mirage until I saw the canards. It was a bit of a surprise to see it flying out of Blackpool rather than Warton. Saab were in partnership with BAe making Gripens for a while, but that fell apart after a bribery scandal over the supply of planes to South Africa.

TimC

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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1586 on: September 13, 2019, 11:25:13 am »
Which is a shame - the Gripen is a very good aircraft. I thought Blackpool was closed now?

Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1587 on: September 13, 2019, 01:19:55 pm »
Gripens are still being made, BAe are no longer partners. Blackpool still has flights to the Isle of Man and Belfast, but the main terminal has been demolished.

Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1588 on: September 13, 2019, 05:20:52 pm »
I'm pretty sure a Huey (accompanied by a smaller helicopter) just flew over my house.

I could hear The Doors playing in my mind.

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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1589 on: September 15, 2019, 02:40:12 pm »
Two days ago, two of those bloody noisy Osprey things, at about 200ft altitude (i.e. less than twice the height of the trees) precisely over my house.  Piss off, Americans, go and annoy your own residents, and stop frightening our local horses, sheep and cattle.  I don't mind our own forces training at low level (but as far as I can tell, this area isn't approved for ultra low level flying), but other countries forces can just bog off.
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1590 on: September 15, 2019, 07:43:00 pm »
Bank holiday weekend, at the Shrewsbury festival. Hear NOISE outside, so rush out, to see rear end* of Dakota disappearing eastwards. Any knowledge?

*I assume the front end was still attached...
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1591 on: September 16, 2019, 11:17:59 am »
Bank holiday weekend, at the Shrewsbury festival. Hear NOISE outside, so rush out, to see rear end* of Dakota disappearing eastwards. Any knowledge?

*I assume the front end was still attached...

If it's the BBMF one it had to make an unscheduled landing at Manchester yesterday after engine problems.

Yeah I know unconnected to Shrewsbury.
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1592 on: September 16, 2019, 12:09:39 pm »
According to the site linked below, the BBMF Dakota was scheduled to appear at the Little Gransden Air & Car show on August 25, and at the Uffington White Horse show on August 26:

https://www.military-airshows.co.uk/press19/bbmfschedule2019.htm
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Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1593 on: September 16, 2019, 01:02:26 pm »
The Royal Air Force used a lot of US-made kit in WW2. The story of the Merlin engine is one of the most illuminating on that score. You're better off with a Packard or Ford of Britain engine, as they are built to mass-production tolerances, so the spares fit more easily.

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While Rolls-Royce’s manufacturing techniques churned out very high quality engines, they simply didn’t jibe with Packard’s way of doing things (or Ford in Manchester for that matter). In his book “Not Much of An Engineer”, Rolls-Royce engineer Sir Stanley Hooker recalls his introduction to the matter with Ford:

“One day their Chief Engineer appeared in Lovesey’s office, which I was then sharing, and said, ‘You know, we can’t make the Merlin to these drawings.’

I replied loftily, ‘I suppose that is because the drawing tolerances are too difficult for you, and you can’t achieve the accuracy.’

‘On the contrary’ he replied, ‘the tolerances are far too wide for us.’ We make motor cars far more accurately than this. Every part on our car engines has to be interchangeable with the same part on any other engine, and hence all parts have to be made with extreme accuracy, far closer than you use. That is the only way we can achieve mass-production.’”

I've been looking for a good article on Merlins, and this is excellent, apart from the slip on metric, which is corrected in the text.

https://www.tested.com/art/makers/492418-packard-merlin-how-detroit-mass-produced-britains-hand-built-powerhouse/

Re: Interesting or unusual planes?
« Reply #1594 on: Today at 08:08:58 pm »
Anyone at Duxford  this weekend?
I plan to be there on Saturday.