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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #600 on: 06 October, 2012, 07:18:10 am »
Given that the IOC are even more corrupt than the UCI, I doubt they'll want to risk rocking the boat too much.

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Ian H

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #601 on: 06 October, 2012, 09:34:38 am »
Quote from: citoyen on 06 October, 2012, 07:18:10 am
Given that the IOC are even more corrupt than the UCI, I doubt they'll want to risk rocking the boat too much.

d.

Are there any international governing bodies of sports that aren't corrupt?
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LittleWheelsandBig

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #602 on: 06 October, 2012, 12:25:26 pm »
There is a question of degrees of corruption though.
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Peter

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #603 on: 07 October, 2012, 10:22:46 am »
Maybe there are even degrees IN corruption?  Available (for a consideration) from a university of your choice.
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Rhys W

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #604 on: 08 October, 2012, 09:16:41 am »
Yes, they're called "Business Studies"  ;)
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Nuncio

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #605 on: 10 October, 2012, 12:54:01 pm »
Quote from: Nuncio on 05 October, 2012, 12:54:11 pm
USADA are to present the evidence to the UCI within the next week or so.  I was sort of expecting that its content would be made public at that point, but UCI won't be doing that.  Will USADA?  Or will we have to wait?

A possible answer to my own question:

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David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST

USADA has written a summary, circa 200 pages, that will be available to public. Perhaps some time today. Thousands of pages in full report.
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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #606 on: 10 October, 2012, 01:03:17 pm »
Thousands of pages?  :o

That's an awful lot of evidence.
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spesh

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #607 on: 10 October, 2012, 04:57:44 pm »
Now the fun begins...

Leipheimer, Vande Velde, Zabriskie, Danielson, Barry and Hincapie have been suspended, though given that Hincapie and Barry are retiring at the end of the season, that's neither here nor there, and the others may well get back-dated suspensions, which means that they may be free to resume racing come the start of next season:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/six-former-armstrong-usps-teammates-receive-bans-from-usada

http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/george-hincapie-admits-doping?page=0,1

And testimony from ex-team-mates isn't even the half of it - money talks, in many ways:

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... in a press release issued this morning, USADA states that its 1000 page dossier not only includes testimony from 26 individuals, including 15 riders "with knowledge of the US Postal Service Team (USPS Team) and its participants' doping activities", but also "direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong".

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usadas-reasoned-decision-on-lance-armstrong-follows-the-money-trail

http://www.usada.org/cyclinginvestigationstatement.html
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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #608 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:07:19 pm »
"You follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. But you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the fuck it's gonna take you." - Lester Freamon
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Hot Flatus

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #609 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:09:16 pm »
http://www.usantidoping.org/

Watch that site for the 100 page précis to be released later on today (us time)

What is strange is that it looks as if Armstrongs team have totally underestimated the depth of this investigation, judging by the nature of their press releases.

I think they're very fucked.
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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #610 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:16:29 pm »
Quote from: Spirit of Flatus on 10 October, 2012, 05:09:16 pm
What is strange is that it looks as if Armstrongs team have totally underestimated the depth of this investigation, judging by the nature of their press releases.

All the bullshit about jurisdiction and whether or not the USADA were following the correct procedure was always wishful thinking.

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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #611 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:18:09 pm »
Also, it'll be very interesting to see what happens to Bruyneel now.

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spesh

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #612 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:19:26 pm »
Quote from: citoyen on 10 October, 2012, 05:16:29 pm
Quote from: Spirit of Flatus on 10 October, 2012, 05:09:16 pm
What is strange is that it looks as if Armstrongs team have totally underestimated the depth of this investigation, judging by the nature of their press releases.

All the bullshit about jurisdiction and whether or not the USADA were following the correct procedure was always wishful thinking.

d.

Judging by the calibre of the last offerings from Armstrong's lawyers, he's probably stopped paying them.  ;D
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Hot Flatus

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #613 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:21:35 pm »
I think Bruyneel was stalling for time, in the hope of a procedural  hiccup in the case. He won't defend, and he'll be out of cycling forever.
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spesh

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #614 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:24:59 pm »
Now, yer average Livestrong band-wearer may not give a hoot about the doping allegations, but if you want to get an American all riled up, just mention misuse of tax dollars... :demon:
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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #615 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:27:18 pm »
McQuaid and Verbruggen must be shitting themselves now - if the money trail leads directly to their door...
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spesh

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #616 on: 10 October, 2012, 05:33:44 pm »
Quote from: citoyen on 10 October, 2012, 05:27:18 pm
McQuaid and Verbruggen must be shitting themselves now - if the money trail leads directly to their door...

Then there are the many and varied business connections. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be off out for marshmallows and pop-corn.
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Rhys W

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #617 on: 10 October, 2012, 06:21:16 pm »
The shit is about to hit the fan... Armstrong/USADA report live report (Guardian link).
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rogerzilla

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #618 on: 10 October, 2012, 06:27:33 pm »
In the comments:

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For you to say that you're innocent is a stretch, Armstrong.

 ;D
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #619 on: 10 October, 2012, 06:58:29 pm »
So far, open confessions from Barry and Hincapie. Implied confessions from the others.

'Move on' from Armstrong  ;D
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citoyen

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #620 on: 10 October, 2012, 07:14:19 pm »
I would very much like to see some non-USPS riders now coming forward and making a full confession. Whether or not the UCI set up a truth and reconciliation committee.

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spesh

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #621 on: 10 October, 2012, 09:22:48 pm »
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Justin(e)

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #622 on: 11 October, 2012, 02:38:46 am »
Quote from: Rhys W on 10 October, 2012, 06:21:16 pm
The shit is about to hit the fan... Armstrong/USADA report live report (Guardian link).

Fertiliser is now firmly scattered all over the place.

Bloody Hell!  The UCI must accept responsibility for this.  I have registered my disapproval by donating to the Kimmage fund.

LAnce is a real thug - just finished reading Levi's affidavit.
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mattc

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #623 on: 11 October, 2012, 07:43:52 am »
There was quite a bit about This Business on the radio just now. On 6Music!

Perhaps I should start paying attention, it sounds important.
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rafletcher

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #624 on: 11 October, 2012, 08:15:25 am »
It wa even mentioend on the Today programme.
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