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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1125 on: 29 October, 2012, 09:21:25 pm »
I see Steven de Jongh has gone from Sky now.
Operation Jens Voigt to Sky continues.
http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17553_8208971,00.html

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1126 on: 30 October, 2012, 08:00:00 pm »
Andy Murray has called for more out of competition testing in Tennis, perhaps the LA affair is also a wake-up call to other sports:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-wants-wider-testing-regime-with-tougher-drugs-penalties--and-no-reprieves-8231546.html

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1127 on: 30 October, 2012, 08:08:00 pm »
zOMG Beckham on drugs! Think of the children - we mustn't let it look cool, better keep it quiet.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1128 on: 30 October, 2012, 08:47:09 pm »
Andy Murray has called for more out of competition testing in Tennis, perhaps the LA affair is also a wake-up call to other sports:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-wants-wider-testing-regime-with-tougher-drugs-penalties--and-no-reprieves-8231546.html


Good on him!  About bloody time someone did.

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1129 on: 30 October, 2012, 08:51:03 pm »
I'm sure Andy wants to get to the top by playing better, not by 'disposing' of potential rivals. Or not. ;D

Perhaps Jenson Button would like to make a similar statement?
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1130 on: 30 October, 2012, 09:03:28 pm »
Andy Murray has called for more out of competition testing in Tennis, perhaps the LA affair is also a wake-up call to other sports:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-wants-wider-testing-regime-with-tougher-drugs-penalties--and-no-reprieves-8231546.html

So, they'll test one for Nandrolone. Will they test Federer for Botox?
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1131 on: 30 October, 2012, 09:08:13 pm »
Why stop at sports?  Test Minogue for Botox.  She's older than me and looks 400% better.  We pay our pop stars to take proper drugs that don't enhance performance or appearance.  Look at Keith Richards; you know he's not cheating.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1132 on: 30 October, 2012, 09:30:10 pm »

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1133 on: 30 October, 2012, 09:58:49 pm »
South Park are having a go at Lance too according to the Lebanese

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Entertainment/Celebrities/2012/Oct-30/193209-south-park-takes-aim-atlance-armstrong.ashx#axzz2AotlWKee

How in God's name did you find an article in a Lebanese newspaper about South Park and Armstrong? Superb!
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1134 on: 30 October, 2012, 10:57:45 pm »
I have been wearing my wristband since mid 2005. I have come to realise however that my wearing of the wristband was more down to my regard for Armstrong and his sporting achievement. Therefore, I had to do something about it.

One of my acquaintances was a big Livestrong fan, and a survivor of a relentless form of cancer which I believe he can never be declared clear of. He's a very strong cyclist, a really nice guy and frankly it's quite humbling to just know what he's been through. A couple of years ago, to celebrate (I think) 5 years since his diagnosis he had a Livestrong band tattoo. I was a fan, now I'm not and I don't really care; but I feel really sorry for people who looked up to LA for hope and now might feel betrayed by his fraud and lies.

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1135 on: 31 October, 2012, 12:31:11 am »
yesterday I considered my 'Livestrong' band.
I have been wearing my wristband since mid 2005. I have come to realise however that my wearing of the wristband was more down to my regard for Armstrong and his sporting achievement. Therefore, I had to do something about it.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1136 on: 31 October, 2012, 07:28:49 am »
South Park are having a go at Lance too according to the Lebanese

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Entertainment/Celebrities/2012/Oct-30/193209-south-park-takes-aim-atlance-armstrong.ashx#axzz2AotlWKee

How in God's name did you find an article in a Lebanese newspaper about South Park and Armstrong? Superb!

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1137 on: 31 October, 2012, 08:35:30 am »
I have been wearing my wristband since mid 2005. I have come to realise however that my wearing of the wristband was more down to my regard for Armstrong and his sporting achievement. Therefore, I had to do something about it.

One of my acquaintances was a big Livestrong fan, and a survivor of a relentless form of cancer which I believe he can never be declared clear of. He's a very strong cyclist, a really nice guy and frankly it's quite humbling to just know what he's been through. A couple of years ago, to celebrate (I think) 5 years since his diagnosis he had a Livestrong band tattoo. I was a fan, now I'm not and I don't really care; but I feel really sorry for people who looked up to LA for hope and now might feel betrayed by his fraud and lies.
He can take a leaf out of Johnny Depp's book and cut the cost of laser tattoo removal by simply having it reduced to "LI ESTRONG"
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1138 on: 31 October, 2012, 09:39:05 am »
It's not the idea that Lance was full of chemicals that's the problem. We all expected that. It's the fact that his entire team was as well, bringing the health hazards to every team that wanted to compete. Lance still won a lot of time trials though, so I'd question whether he would not have been able to win some of those tours with a clean team.
Once we accept the idea of a dominant doped USPS or Discovery, it's possible that dominance made it easier for clean riders to finish the Tour. The race was controlled other than for set pieces.

I'm interested in the winners of the Grand Prix des Nations. They fall into two categories. Riders who dominated the Tour while doping, and riders who sat in the Autobus and launched occasional lone breaks which served as time trial training. Wiggins looked like he'd fall into the latter category thanks to his long solo break in the first week of 2007.
My own view of Lance is that he was a character driven by authority issues surrounding his father's abandonment, that he was always best when he had something to push against, that his testosterone level was way high after the cancer, and that was the source of his aggression, that blinded him to the ethics.
I see that his name has been removed from the Grand Prix des Nations win list. Looking at some of the other winners I think I'll keep Lance in there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_des_Nations

I see Johann Bruyneel is still down for a win in 1992.

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1139 on: 31 October, 2012, 11:35:34 am »
South Park are having a go at Lance too according to the Lebanese

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Entertainment/Celebrities/2012/Oct-30/193209-south-park-takes-aim-atlance-armstrong.ashx#axzz2AotlWKee

How in God's name did you find an article in a Lebanese newspaper about South Park and Armstrong? Superb!

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1140 on: 31 October, 2012, 12:20:56 pm »
South Park are having a go at Lance too according to the Lebanese

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Entertainment/Celebrities/2012/Oct-30/193209-south-park-takes-aim-atlance-armstrong.ashx#axzz2AotlWKee
And the people of Edenbridge, Kent, too.
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1141 on: 31 October, 2012, 12:57:38 pm »

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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1142 on: 31 October, 2012, 06:55:51 pm »
Marco Cavendeech?
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1143 on: 01 November, 2012, 08:28:31 pm »
Ace. Kimmage counter suing the UCI  :thumbsup:

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1144 on: 01 November, 2012, 08:55:34 pm »
Ace. Kimmage counter suing the UCI  :thumbsup:

Bravo. Brave souls like him need to keep pressing the buttons.  Where do we donate again?

The current stalemate is very frustrating.  The whole cycling world can see that FP and Verbruggen need to go, but there seems to be no mechanism to shift them.  Their skin is thicker than a dozen rhinos and it's clear that FP at least just doesn't get it.

Hopefully some international federations will disaffiliate, or maybe the IOC will threaten to refuse to recognise them.  Something needs to happen though. 

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1145 on: 01 November, 2012, 09:11:12 pm »
Ace. Kimmage counter suing the UCI  :thumbsup:

Bravo. Brave souls like him need to keep pressing the buttons.  Where do we donate again?

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2012/paul-kimmage-defense-fund
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1146 on: 01 November, 2012, 09:15:45 pm »
Well, I've just paid for about 30 seconds of his lawyer's time.

Worth it just for the lols

Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1147 on: 01 November, 2012, 10:03:39 pm »
It's worth reading the press release from the Kimmage's legal representative

Quote from: Paul Kimmage's lawyer
Lausanne, 1.11.2012

By this release, the undersigned makes the public announcement that his client Paul Kimmage has sent today to the Public Prosecutor of Vevey a criminal complaint and denunciation against Hein Vebruggen, Pat McQuaid and unknown persons against whom Paul Kimmage requests the opening of a criminal investigation for slander/defamation, denigration and for strong suspicions of fraud.

By this 28 page document to which 55 exhibits are attached, Paul Kimmage complains, among other things, that he was dragged through the mud, that he was called a liar in public and accused in public of committing offences against the honour after he had obtained the publication of an interview by Floyd Landis in which the latter denounced the conduct of the highest officials of the International Cycling Union (UCI). In addition, Paul Kimmage informs the Swiss criminal authorities of the strong suspicions which weigh on at least Hein Vebruggen to have granted, directly or indirectly, the essential assistance which allowed Lance Armstrong to gain significant sums of money in and out of competition while he was doped.

Paul Kimmage has initiated these criminal proceedings not for himself but first of all in honour of the whistle-blowers – Stephen Swart, Frankie Andreu, Floyd Landis, Christophe Bassons, Nicolas Aubier, Giles Delion, Graham Obree and the many others – who were brave enough to speak but were dismissed as ‘liars’, ‘cowards,’ or ‘scumbags’ by Hein Verbruggen and/or Pat McQuaid.

(signed by Cédric Aguet)

Source: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13195/Kimmage-counter-attacks-by-suing-Verbruggen-and-McQuaid-in-Swiss-courts.aspx#ixzz2B0L8s2g3

If Kimmage really was only filing a counter-suit for defamation, the opening paragraph wouldn't be worded the way it is. McQuaid and Verbruggen lobbed a grenade at him, he's just fired a tactical nuclear warhead back at them...  ;D :demon: ;D

EDIT- See also: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13197/Kimmage-speaks-about-his-legal-action-says-McQuaid-and-Verbruggen-need-to-be-removed-immediately.aspx
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Re: Bye Lance
« Reply #1148 on: 01 November, 2012, 11:17:18 pm »
Ah, and I was thinking it had all been a bit boring this week! Go Kimmage:)
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